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Anybody ever use one?...I have always thought they would work better then an owl decoy...I have never seen an owl getting mobbed by crows...and rarely seen an owl plain period...I have seen many many redtail hawks and alot of them getting mobbed by crows...this is the one I ordered...I did a longggggg search online and the only other one I found thats pretty good looking is the mojo hawk...but alot more expensive....crow season coming up pretty quick in NH .

http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3909692



-- Edited by Nastygunz on Saturday 17th of July 2010 01:25:03 PM

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That looks like it should work just fine and the price is right.

The mojo hawk is still on sale in the bargain cave at Cabelas.
http://www.cabelas.com/p-0066678229718a.shtml

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one of my best hunts ever was with a mojo hawk without the wings. it seem to drive em crazy! BUT we were also close to a roost, scouting is more important than anything.

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I use my Mojo hawk more than the owl and works great,a few yers ago someone on here said leave the motor off or it will scare the crows,and they were right!!smile

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Hi guys,

I bought a mojo hawk last year and only tried it once.  Didn't seem to work...but like I said, I only tried it once.  I'm in PA and you can not use motorized decoys but I don't think that matters much (at least when putting out a hawk deke.  It would be cool if we could use motion crow decoys though).

Anyways, Shanedog (or whoever) can you explain your set up when using a red tail?  Is it about the same as owl/crow set up?  Put the red tail higher than the crows.  Have some crows sitting somewhat close to it looking like they are scolding it???

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Hawks as decoys:  I have never used a hawk decoy but suspect one would be a plus and never a minus. Hawks are not natural enemies of the crow, they just do not get along very well. The Great Horned Owl is a natural ememy ( meaning it will hunt and eat a crow ) and is probably the best non-crow decoy. I do find, however, that during the nesting season crows are far more sensitive to hawks especially hawks near their nesting area. So using a hawk decoy then would seem to have the best possible effect.

 I have used a hawl call very successfully during nesting season. It is not as effective, but still helps, during the rest of the year.

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For what it is worth. I get to watch the activities of 8 crows everyday. They live at the facilities that I work at. I listen every morning to when they come in. I watch how they interact with each other. I watch them run other birds and crows off. We had a Red-tail Hawk make the mistake of stopping by the other day. Beautiful bird. Up to the point to where one of the residents seen him. It was on. The crows fired up and started in on him. The hawk did not stutter on them much. He just sat there and would move over bit by bit. Just as if to say, " Ya, I see y'all ". The crows started to grow in numbers. Other crows from around the area started to come in. Finally the numbers got up to about 20 to 25 birds and the Hawk figured that the numbers are to great. Plus the crows were getting closer. Please understand the pain I was going through while watching this. I am on one roof top, 50 yards away is a Hawk and I have all these crows flying around close enough I can hear the wind being cut by their wings. It was truly as sight to see. But after seeing the reaction just from a Hawk sitting down, never have made a sound, was amazing.

After viewing that I can not see me going to the field with out a Hawk in hand.

Damn, I gotta buy another decoy.

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I have seen many crow mobs on hawks...last year I saw a literal black cloud of crows you could hear the whole way across the farm giving it to a red tail hawk...who finally fled the scene...those crows were coming in from everywhere.

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Hey Puppypopper,
You have the makings of a decoy wh?re. I have a friend that's one for duck decoys. That man cannot walk by a duck decoy without at least handling it. Right now he has a seventy-five goose decoys split between field and floaters and he has almost two hundred floater sea duck decoys on six longline sets.



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Never used a hawk deek for crows but have many times had both crows and various species of hawks attacking my owl decoy at the same time. Also my observations are that any avian enemy of crowdom only attracts useful intrest by crows during the spring/early summer of the year.

Typical crow response to an owl deek in the fall is to gain altutude and fade off. High fly by's with a circle or two are also common.

Attatched is a pic of my personal "crow pole" which has accounted for many thousands of crow kills. I move it from one location to another in the spring and "dress" it with a fresh dead crow. Not uncommon in 15 minuites or so to shoot a half dozen or more from each stand.

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Nice foxpro caller
is that a fence post? What do you do carry a sledge with ya?
I need to try the owl again every time I use it they flair away never had a kamakazie experience

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JD and I are from PA and I agree.  I have an owl but never had much luck with it.  I also bought a mojo hawk last year (on sale or I would have never bought it) and it provided about the same results.  Too bad I can't use the battery in the darn thing.

M12..explain the setup, please.  Do you just put the "fence post" out in front of you and stick and owl on the top and wait for your first victim so you can add one to it's feet area?  Do you have other crow dekes around in trees scolding the owl.

I'm always game to try new things.  I have seen crows in my area attacking red tailed hawks.  Actually, when I first started crow hunting I had a red tail swoop down and grab one of my foam crow decoys and take off with it.  It was a pretty cool sight.

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Us pa guys need to organize and get the game commision to allow motion decoys for crows. Does any one know where or who I need to contact?

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Pat, have you been talking with Jon ? , but I do love me some decoying.

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1983 & Hammer, the post in the photo is a hundred year old cedar fence post I salvaged from a scrap pile at a farm. It is light as a feather and the whole set up takes only a few minuites to deploy.

I don't require a sledge to stand the thing up as the ground is soft in the spring. I use a three foot hunk of old shovel handle to form a circular hole for the pole to stand in...as the end is sharpened to a point.

Should the ground be too hard or frozen as it often is in the early spring, I simply tie the thing to a short sapling or barbed wire fence with some hay wire or baler twine. Just make sure the owl is not cantered as crows don't like this.

Works best set up in a rather open location, put the wind at my back or there about and I hook my FX3 onto the decoy pole as depicted. Take cover no more than 20 or so yards distant and let the FoxPro do it's magic.

First crow killed is fixed to the owl with a fish hook in a manner that looks like some poor crow has become dinner for the owl. Bust both it's wings as they will move with the breeze should it be strong enough and give added movement.

If your incomers are flaring then something is wrong with the set...ie: the crows are likely spotting you, they are just simply educated birds or the owl is being used at the wrong time of the season.

I make 6-8 stands each morning and rarely get skunked at any as crows fixate on the owl and shots don't seem to spook them much... as long as they don't spot you that is! Take the first crow that shows up as following birds will move up like to a magnet. Letting incomers "boil up" in a group above the deek rarely results in larger kills/set and IMO simply educates too many crows.

Also I never us any commercial crow deeks. I will tie dead crows together by their necks with black baler twine and toss the lot up into bare branches of higher trees should I choose to stay at a location for an hour or so.

Good luck!

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Ok thanks
I doubt that the crows are seeing me must be the wrong time of year.


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Thanks M12.  As JD said..."must be the wrong time of year"....

What time of year is the "best"?


JD - I'm not sure who we could get in touch with about getting the game commisison to change their decoying rules for predators.  You can use a motion decoy for coyotes but not for crows.  Don't get it.  I guess if we start using them for crows then all the waterfowlers (I hunt geese, so I'm not ripping on the waterfowlers) will want them to make motion decoys for ducks/geese legal.  Could open a big can of worms.  But it's worth a shot to get them to know what we think.  I say just make motion decoys legal for predators (coyotes, fox, raccoon, crows, etc.).

OH, M12, do you think a red tail hawk on a post with a crow at it's feet would work like the owl?  I have both the owl and hawk decoy.  Just wondering.  From what I hear and read...crows HATE owls worse.

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I am going to see about who to talk to in the gc to get something changed hey the crossbowers did why not the crow hunters!

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Keep me posted.  I am willing to join the fight.

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Hammer, I would bet my first born that a hawk deek would work just as fine as an owl...with a dead crow slung below that is.

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Ok will do

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Ok, here it is $16.99 Ace Hardware. Dang it, gotta go get one.

Yes Pat, I know, I know, But it just makes me laugh so hard.



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Puppypopper,

If it was a duck decoy you would have competition for highest bid. Seeing as it is a hawk decoy...you might get competition from crowbusters. Mind you after a while you will need a horse trailer just to haul your decoys around.......


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Pat, I am already there with needing a trailer to haul all the gadgets and decoys for chasing them crows. But that is what makes this sport so much fun, and rewarding when we get that one great day of shooting!! If we get a good day of shooting, then we will be praising that Hawk decoy to everybody, and off we go again!!

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I have had success many times with the owl..I am gunna try both decoys fightng over a crow decoy!







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I drilled a small hole in the front of the owl by its feet and put a coat hanger wire hook in it and hot glued it and sharpened the coat hanger tip so I can hang crow decoys or dead crows on it...works slick n about a 5 minute job.

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Great horny owls and red tailed hawk decoys work fantastic including the plastic peregrine falcon decoy when used in conjunction with crow decoys. The mojo red tailed motion decoy works really great despite the duck like rythim of the wings.I don't have to even call 99 9/10% of the time! Just put a buster 2 below it or have a mojo crow attacking it! The drawback? heavy for decoys if you trek 400 yards. Just make sure a lot of crows are in the area to make it worth your while..bring lots of ammo!

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jd1983 wrote:

Us pa guys need to organize and get the game commision to allow motion decoys for crows. Does any one know where or who I need to contact?


 Hey JD, PA allows electronic decoys for crows now - see Waterfowl/Migratory Game Birds, Page 30, 2013-2014 PA Hunting & Trapping Digest, Restrictions:

By the use or aid of live decoys, or decoys powered or operated by batteries or any other source of electricity. Electronic crow decoys can be used for the hunting of crows.

Sunday hunting may be coming soon too, not just for crows. PGC passed a resolution advising the House to allow Sunday hunting.

 

 



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