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Just wondering if anybody knows the difference between the Heavy Field Loads and the Hi Brass Loads? The brass is the same length and the only thing thats different is 1/8 oz? The Heavy Field Load is 7.86  and the Hi Brass are upwards of 14.00. I picked up a few boxes of the heavy field loads in 4s and 6s. I know most of you say that 7.5s and 8 trap loads will kill em every time, but i seem to have more fall more consistently with the bigger shot sizes. And most of the time they are stone dead when you go to get them.



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Chb,

Good question, maybe I can help. An old adage says..."the sign is in the tea leaves". That may be true, in some instances. But not necessarily in shotgun shells.

Looks can be deceiving. Forget the brass height. By now, I believe you have already discovered that brass height may not tell the story of whats inside a shotgun shell.

A little history is due here. For years and years, ammo companies increased the brass height for hi-power shells, because billions of rounds of shotgun ammo was loaded with weak paper tubes. The high brass increased the safety of the shell, because it was stronger than the paper. Actually, the peak pressure in each shell is about the same, roughly 10,000 psi for 12 ga, but hi-power shells have a longer time-pressure curve than light load shells. Also, Johan Loubser, of Western Powders, in Miles City, Montana, whom has run some test for me on my own reloaded shells, says there is a very significant drop in pressure from the peak, near the breech of the gun, to the muzzle. Muzzle pressure is'nt to exceed 2,000 psi in factory loaded shells. Than explains why shotgun barrels are made much thinner near the muzzle.

Some years ago, there were some shotgun shells that were made with NO brass on the outside of the shell case at all. The name was "Wanda", and the shell material was made of General Electric "Lexan" plastic. I never shot any of them, but saw them several times. So here, there was no brass at all to tell the story of whats inside! 

The potency of the shell is the load of powder, and shot weight in the shell. Not in the brass. Anyone should read the loading that's in the shell, and decide if it is adequate for you hunting needs.

In your case, I would definitely buy the $7.86 shell, versus the much higher priced job. Crows are'nt very tenacious of life, and up to 30-35 yards, can be decimated with 1.125 oz loads of No.7.5 or No.8 shot at 1200-1300 fps. That greedy Bob Ahronsohn, (see postings of his on this website) has killed literally truck loads of crows with 7/8 oz. of shot in 20 ga. guns. A light load indeed!

As a bonus, at your stated prices for shells, you can buy two boxes of the light loads, for the price of one box of high power shells. Brings a question to mind...is the high price shell twice as effective for crow shooting as the lower price shell? I have'nt even seen the shells, and I know it is'nt.

Again, you posed a good question. I hope I helped.

KenCrow



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Oh you definitely helped, and increased my knowledge of the topic and for that i thank you. Guess its a good thing i went with the 7.86 shell versus the 14+ dollar shell. After all im not worried about eating them so why spend the higher dollar.

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As a bonus, at your stated prices for shells, you can buy two boxes of the light loads, for the price of one box of high power shells. Brings a question to mind...is the high price shell twice as effective for crow shooting as the lower price shell? I have'nt even seen the shells, and I know it is'nt.

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Heavy field loads are typically 1 1/8 oz. loads at 1255 fps or so. Federal "hi brass" are loaded with 1 1/4 oz. of lead at 1330 fps.


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Kencrow; nice shotgun...do you experience any jams? The Wally rounds don't cycle my 11-87 ...except to get locked in the action and i have to pull the empty out so i don't shoot any more Walrus Mart loads... the cheap ones..haven't tried the winchester ones yet I don't think...

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Motion,

No, I never experienced any jams with the shotgun shown on my avatar. It is a SKB M1900, Ducks Unlimited. Bought it new, never shot it, and sold it about 3 months ago.

I have found that 12 ga loads with 3-1.125-1200FPS loadings will jam in just about any shotgun that I have ever owned. It seems that most semi-auto shotguns need loadings of 1.125 oz. of shot at or near 1300FPS in order to function properly. I guess there is'nt enough gas pressure in the barrel with lighter 12 ga loads to function the action. I know positively that my SKB guns will not jam if I use 1.125 loads, or heavier, near 1300 FPS. I only shoot SKB 12 ga shotguns, Models 1300 and 1900 semi-automatic. They were made in Japan 30-40 years ago, and some were imported by Ithaca under different model No's. Sadly, these superior guns are no longer made. You can find them on Gunbroker.com.



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I love my remington 11-87 but it hasn't proven to be the remington 870 I owned years ago but it is fun to shoot...sends those high brass loads down range with authority...just that walrus world rounds are fairly cheap ...I haven't read of anyone in here complaining about rounds failing in their pump guns though however with all due respects guru Bob warned me they wouldn't do much good in a remington wingmaster though...if I got it correctly? But none the less would love to hear from others experiences. His Bennelllis' aren't affected by them I understand?
Ain't that incredible/ japan is one of the nations in the so called "United Nations" pushing for universal disarmanent but they make a fine shotgun though now don't they?
I hate such hypocrisy!
What i mean specifically by the Walrus loads jamming is that they "stovepipe' and i got to rip the hull out of the action...

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If the Federal loads are not working for you I would not use them, is there a reason you are choosing Federals?

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I hear a bit of complaining about Federal Promo target loads but I myself have no problem with them. The silver steel bases on these can cause issues with autos and or get "sticky" in some pump gun chambers as steel does not act the same as brass does. The aforementioned do pattern very well in my guns and kill crows with authority out to 40 yards and beyond. Upon dissection though, I have found Federal Promos to have a 2 piece wad system and very poor looking shot...not unlike reclaimed stuff. But still, proof is at the patterning board and I have shot thousands of crows with these. Lastly, as Mossy stated, if you have trouble or don't care for Federal fodder then choose another brand!smile

 

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