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What do you guys shoot on marshes and areas where non-tox is required?  I hate the stuff, but it is a fact of life.

Normally I shoot a 1 1/8oz handload of #7s at 1300fps.



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My favorite crow gun is my old Ithica/LeFever side by side. I won't shoot steel shot through it and other non-toxic shot choices are too rich for my blood. So I stay on dry ground for crows.

 

If money wasn't an issue, I would use Bizmuth.



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I have shot steel 4s and 6s, steel crushes them



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Target load steel. A lot cheaper than “normal” high brass steel loads.

I prefer #6 steel target loads over the #7 steel target loads. At normal ranges they work fine, if you miss it’s not because of the load.

More cripples? Yeah, quite possible.

BD, #7 lead is my favorite lead size too.

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10gacrowshooter wrote:

I have shot steel 4s and 6s, steel crushes them


 I used #7 steel shot one year and couldn't believe it-it took crows down!!*

*I thought Vermont required it but in any case I got up to go  here in NH and tried it out as it was all I took by accident and was surprised at the results!



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Steel shot works much better on crows than it does on waterfowl.  You should not have any problem with it's effectiveness.  Are you hunting federal or state lands that have no tox shot rules, I am wondering why is no tox mandated for crows?



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Federal 3" #3s does a number on crows.

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10gacrowshooter wrote:

I have shot steel 4s and 6s, steel crushes them


 Do you shoot steel shot though your old doubles?



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Mainehunt wrote:
10gacrowshooter wrote:

I have shot steel 4s and 6s, steel crushes them


 Do you shoot steel shot though your old doubles?


 no, I have a 1100 20 ga. with mod choke that I shoot 3/4 oz steel 6s and I shot the 12 ga with 1 1/8 th oz  steel 4s with imp cyl choke,

with the 20 ga SxS I use 7/8 oz 6s ,

12 ga SxS 1 oz 6s.

and with the short 10 ga I use 1 1/8th oz 6s. starting to see a pattern here?? LOL

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nhcrowshooter- Iowa has several waterfowl areas that require nontox for everything.  Some have had some decent numbers and I can't resist driving by....



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While the game laws require non-toxic shot for hunting migratory birds, our game wardens generally only worry about ducks and geese. Crows and snipe are considered migratory birds, but I've never heard of tickets being issued to those using lead shot for these smaller birds, even those taken near or over marshes.

As for marshes, around here, they do not have a hard bottom and shot will go into the mud and will not stop sinking. Dabbling ducks cannot get pellets out of the mud, particularly the smaller shot.

This is a good question for your state DNR office personnel or at least your local game warden(s). Our state office gave me the go-ahead. YMMV.

Good luck and good hunting.

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Yeah- asked game warden directly.  A few Iowa counties made it steel only on all public ground.

I've offered to eat all the pellets they could find after I fired a shotgun across a field or water and no one has taken me up on it yet.  I think its a feel good bunch of crap but the waterfowlers have bought into it too so no going back.



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Island Shooter wrote:

While the game laws require non-toxic shot for hunting migratory birds, our game wardens generally only worry about ducks and geese. Crows and snipe are considered migratory birds, but I've never heard of tickets being issued to those using lead shot for these smaller birds, even those taken near or over marshes.

As for marshes, around here, they do not have a hard bottom and shot will go into the mud and will not stop sinking. Dabbling ducks cannot get pellets out of the mud, particularly the smaller shot.

This is a good question for your state DNR office personnel or at least your local game warden(s). Our state office gave me the go-ahead. YMMV.

Good luck and good hunting.

Demi


 A couple of us here in Maine talked to a few game wardens about 5-6 years ago. It was written into our law book that since crows were migratory, we had to plug our guns, use non-toxic shot and we couldn't use electronic game calls. They assured us that we could ignore all 3 rules and they would remove the false laws from the law books.

 

Last I looked, it was still incorrect in our laws.



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I know loads get talked about a lot but I never realized how much of a difference there really is in actual performance. I was shooting trap today with normal #8 1 oz target loads I only had a couple clays left and grabbed a handful of some #6 1 1/4 heavy fields loads just to see how they did. I went from breaking clays with the #8 to vaporizing them with the #6 heavy field loads. What an eye opener, the heavy field hit harder, hit faster and had much more range. I normally always you the cheap target stuff for crows but I wont ever again, it was like fighting with one hand tired behind my back.

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