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nhcrowshooter · Guru

New attack on lead ammunition

jd1983 · Senior Member

Yeah all thoes tanks and fighter jets helicopters and battle ships, not to mention the giant genorators the run are all so "green". I thank every man and woman who has and will serve our country. I thank you all greatly some times the goverment is in way left field

Pat B · Senior Member

I too am grateful to the men and women in uniform. I did my duty, and the torch was passed to them. They have my support and prayers.......and unfortunately green is the way of the future. Even if it isn't green, it is good sales to say it is.

Corn based alcohol fuel for cars, synthetic oil, Solid copper bullets, non-tox shot will be mandated instead of an option because the politicians drink the same cool-aide as these people who claim to be helping the earth. The politicians will be afraid to look like they are reactionaries and back the "green" out of fear (for their political lives).

You see it everyday, politicians who used to back prohibition, and now gun control, safe needle sites for addicts, save the seals, and more, for the better good of mankind, etc.

.......done ranting.....thanks

Pat

Polish Hammer · Senior Member

Ditto that NH.

I saw that in the paper this morning. That's the problem in this country.. the NOISY MINORITY. They keep bitching and getting their way while the rest of us (the MAJORITY) sit and do nothing.

Something has to give sooner or later.

I can't believe that Remington, Federal, Winchester, etc. will sit around and not say anything. Yeah, they'll sell non-toxic shot if that's all we can use..but they'll have to make it comparible in price to lead. And from my experience, non toxic shot doesn't even come close to patterning like lead.

Hizzoner · Senior Member

Stock up boy's!!

THEY WORRY ABOUT GREEN ALRIGHT,AS IN B.P.'S COLOR LOGO?? ASK THE FISHERMAN DOWN SOUTH ABOUT GREEN!!!

jd1983 · Senior Member

Pat B wrote:
because the politicians drink the same cool-aide as these people who claim to be helping the earth. The politicians will be afraid to look like they are reactionaries and back the "green" out of fear (for their political lives)

Pat

that's the truth fear not so much for there lives but that they won't get there pocket book padded.

As far as the ammo companys they don't care if the sell you lead or steel they just want to sell you what is the most expensive. That's just business. Could it be that these companys are pushing for green also? Just a little thought to think about.
For them no more lead in there facilitys no more EPA on there a$$ about lead and lead dust no lead poisioning of there workers etc. Not that I am speaking any hard facts but it could be.

Bob · Guru

This is the reason you want to elect candidates who have the same values as you do! Don't hope the other guy will do it for you, become active anyway you can.

Vote this November!

Bob A.

jd1983 · Senior Member

Bob I agree with you on that but it's still tough to believe what some say they will do and what they really do once they are there. But yes every one need to vote. Not only in the pres election also all the way down to who represents localy

Hizzoner · Senior Member

I VOTED FOR THE VETERAN-Who gave 7 years of his life in the "HANOI HILTON" plus his regular military time, FOR our FREEDOM to SHOOT CROWS and DO ANYTHING ELSE WE WANT TO!!

"NOT FOR SOMEONE WHO NEVER WORKED OR MADE SACRIFICES FOR THIS COUNTRY!!

Electing o'bama is the same as electing HIRIHITO in WW11

chip · Guru

Yep its commin boys,,,, Liberalism is a cancer that has been eating away at the foundation this country was built on bleh

Truth be known I bought steel last year cheaper than I could buy lead. That right there should tell you something. I pray every night for the boys and girls over there. My son will graduate in three years from college and will be a 2nd lue in the army. I wonder what branch he will serve in?? His great grandfather was a sargeant in the Alabama 151rst INFANTRY Lost an arm at Antietem creek, His grandfather was Infantry WWII 2nd wave omaha beach, His dad was 11 bang bang Infantry 101rst airborne/Air assault War Eagle brigade Rakkasan Raider,,, He will be the first one in the family to be commissioned, Wonder if he will be in the Infantry????? biggrin

Bob · Guru

JD 1983,

This is why you don't take them at there word, you check there voting record before you back them.

Bob A.

nhcrowshooter · Guru

I'll be up front and honest, brutally so. I am veteran, USAF 0-4, 7 years active 14 reserve. My father was an 18 year old E-5 with 35 missions in the ball turret of a B-24 over Axis targets. His father was a corporal and a mechanic in the hat in the ring squadron in WWI. On my mothers side we go back 12 generations. I had two ancestors on her side at Bunker Hill and Valley Forge and some in every war since.

I am not saying that to try sound better than anyone else simply to give a point of reference. Under the current administration I could not and would not recommend military service to my 18 year old or any other young person. Not at this time. I am no longer as proud of my country as I once was. I have seen my freedom slip away. I have seen my country tip towards a style of government that I sat in a missile silo for countless boring hours to defend us from. I do not feel any patriotism at this point in time that would inspire me to risk or possibly give my life for my country as I once did. I can't recommend it to any young person. I would not serve a moment under this C in C.

Sorry to vent but that is how it is with me.

-- Edited by nhcrowshooter on Wednesday 4th of August 2010 07:57:50 PM

SHANEDOG · Guru

Hey Chip
Them Bama boys should not have messed with Hooker's Corp.at Antietam.That was some tough fighting in the Cornfield and the Sunken road,double and triple canister were the order of the day!!!

jd1983 · Senior Member

Yes bob you are right but that still does not mean the won't sway.Just depends who's supplying the cash in my opinion. There all crooked one way or another.

Bob · Guru

JD,

My late wife said many times that I was an eternal optimist, always looking on the bright side.

If you're candidate does not vote the way he should once he or she gets into office then they will pay the price at the ballot box come the next election!

Obama will be but a faded memory in the years to come, but good men & women have to be forever vigillant in electing honorable candidates.

The liberals know that come this november they are going to be facing a tidal wave of rage from the public at large! Are we on the brink? With this administration I believe we are very close. If good folks stand up and vote, and become informed then the future can be much better in the years to come.

Bob A.

jd1983 · Senior Member

Yes every one needs to vote and not only vote but talk to thoes running and let them know what we the people want and what we expect.

chip · Guru

First of all SHANE you know in your heart of hearts that if things would have went just a tad bit different in july of 64 ie, (Jeb Stuart not running around chasing women) and doing his job at being Lee's eyes you guys would have been growing cotton up there in blue belly land.LOL biggrin

, Bob I wish I could be the optimist and feel the way you do but truth is there are more people on the Obama tit voting than we can imagine. I think if most people were honest with themselves they would say they feel the same way ncshooter does. He just has the balls to say it. I can feel the pain in his words as he is typing it. I am very reserved about my son doing what he is doing. He had recruiters calling him in highschool and I flat told them that I wont tolerate the commander in chief. He will be 20 years old in January. He is an all American scholar athlete, Deens list 3.8 on a 4.0 scale student. What do you tell a young man that looks you in the eye and sais DAD I want to serve my country???? doh

We have all been taught since birth DUTY HONOR COUNTRY. I had Reagan as a C and C lok what hes gonna have

Hell he may as well be lead by a Carpet Bagger from Minnasota yawn

Mark my words he will win in 2012 by a landslide and we will be shooting steel at 20 bucks a box and scratchin our heads lookin for somebody to blame hmm

nhcrowshooter · Guru

Polish Hammer wrote:

I can't believe that Remington, Federal, Winchester, etc. will sit around and not say anything. Yeah, they'll sell non-toxic shot if that's all we can use..but they'll have to make it comparible in price to lead. And from my experience, non toxic shot doesn't even come close to patterning like lead.

Don't count on it. Business is business and nothing else. The ammunition companies will sell us out, it will be in their interest to do so. Lead is or will be more highly regulated, it's considered hazardous to work with I am sure. The EPA and OSHA will make the production of lead too much of a PITA for any company to deal with over time. Don't expect somebody else to take up your fight.

We are 20 years deep into non-toxic being mandated for waterfowl. Show me a non-toxic shot that compares in price and performance to lead. Show me non-tox safe for old guns that is not extraordinarily expensive. There has been plenty of time to come up with something and ramp up production to bring costs down, it didn't happen.

-- Edited by nhcrowshooter on Thursday 5th of August 2010 09:44:20 AM

Bob · Guru

Hello Chip,

Obama will be the last black president you will see in you're lifetime Chip! I don't think he will win in 2012 because there are a lot more of us (Independents & Conservatives) than the freeloaders milking the system!

The problem is that when you feel pessimistic the liberals have you half beaten already! I don't feel like there is no hope for the future. The nice thing about being an American is that it just isn't in our DNA to "just lay down and take it"

If Obama should win in 2012 it won't make any difference if the Republicans control congress, they can stop the liberal spending machine in it's tracks.

I might add that there are more blacks starting to see the light about Obama. His support among the black vote was 96% in 2008, now it's 88% and falling!

In closing I just want to say that it was the white vote not the black vote that got Obama elected! This is why he will only be a one term president! Once fooled, twice shy!

Bob A.

Marky · Newbie

Federal Agency Bans Lead Ammunition for Depredation Hunting of Birds

http://www.shootingwire.com/story/231545

gearly65 · Senior Member

I agree guys that Liberalism is a cancer in this county. Obama and all his liberal buddies need to be voted out in the next election. GUYS I CAN'T STRESS IT ENOUGH THAT EVERYONE ON THIS SIGHT SHOULD BE A MEMBER OF THE NRA. If not for them, none of us would have guns and have the freedom to hunt.