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Since it's 105 friggin degrees outside I thought it would be a good idea to review some of my old journals from past years.

I see one shoot where in 2004 I shot 500 crows even that day. My notes said that I rolled the first 200 within one hour and 12 minutes. This was with a 20 gauge using a 7/8th ounce load of # 8's. The shoots of 500 or better you don't forget because you just don't get that many of them. I didn't have a shoot of 500 or more last season. We came close, Dick & I shot 460 odd crows one afternoon during the 2009 season.

I see another shoot where on January 18th 1999 I shot 353 crows that day and that was the day I surpassed Bert Popowski's old record of 90,000 crows.

Then in January of 2000 I shot my 94,000th crow.

Here is a damn good one, in November (kansas) of 2000 Jim Lundquist and I rolled 648 crows from 7:00 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. all 20 gauge. Then four days later we had another good one where we rolled 435 crows from 3:30 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. that afternoon.

Then in 1998 Jim Lundquist in November again (Kansas) the both of us rolled 644 crows from 7:15 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. that day. This was on November 11th, then on November  13th we shot 457 crows on an afternoon shoot. November 15th we got another good one, we shot 411 crows from 3:30 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. Back in those days it was all local, you could pick the best days to hunt.

Thought you guys might enjoy reading about the old days.

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That is amazing, Bob. I could only dream of days like that.

Have you ever figured out how much you spend on shells a year or in your career?  I bet it's a a good chunk of change!  biggrin



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On average it's between $ 1,300 to $ 1,500 for ammo each season.

Out of state licences is another $ 600.00 plus.

Last season I spent a little over $ 1,000.00 just on food out of state.

For gas, motels, licences and ammo it was $ 9,600.00 last crow season. Thats just my share!

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On average it's between $ 1,300 to $ 1,500 for ammo each season.

Out of state licences is another $ 600.00 plus.

Last season I spent a little over $ 1,000.00 just on food out of state.

For gas, motels, licences and ammo it was $ 9,600.00 last crow season. Thats just my share!

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I have a question Bob

when you shoot 200 crows in an hour, you shoot one each 18 seconds.....the crows are not effraid when you shoot? they still come to decoys?

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Hi Target,

I'm impressed, you did the math, 200 in one hour and 12 minutes is smokin along, pretty much load and shoot and hope you can keep up with them.

Inorder to accomplish that number of birds in that short of a time you need to be in the right spot. By that I mean you need to be in a good flyway where the crows are strung out and not coming in hundreds at a time. You just want it steady, well that day it was a lot more than just steady! To be honest I really don't like it so fast and furious because you are literally in a killing frenzy! Many times during that shoot I prayed for a little let up but there was none to be had, so I kept on shootin! The only reason I know it was one hour and 12 minutes is because thats when things began to settle down and I looked at my watch to check the time. The next 6 hours was slow by comparrison but more to my liking. Once in a while (a great while) those crows get there comeupance for some of the beatings I take during the season!

If the crows are strung out and you are well hidden the crows down range still come in to see what is going on. I might add that these birds had no clue what gun fire was because I never shot them in the roost. You just wise to many up that way and then you make it harder on yourself if you plan to hunt them for the whole season.

A lot of fellas are under the impression that the crows just come in (the same ones) and commit mass suicide like a bunch of lemmings jumping off a cliff. You get shoots like that because you have new birds coming through you with no let up.

I remember that day because I only needed two more crows for 500 and things were pretty much over with. Then here comes two late ones, boy oh boy did I ever bear down on those two because there was a good chance that was the only one I was going to get. I would have died on the spot if I blew it and ended up with 498 for the day!

I was in a good feeding area that day and had shooting all day long, some slow, some the way I like it and some fast & furious .

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And to think I am happy with 10 per hour.
I am going to sulk over in the corner now.

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JD,

Trust me, there are some shoots where I'd be happy with 10 an hour as well. "I don't get em all the time!"

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Hi Target,

I 've been looking up just the fast & furious shoots, here is one from Reno county, Kansas in November of 1978.

Boyd Robeson and I were shooting (each of us) a pair of 20 gauge Winchester model 12 pump guns, # 8 shot in a 7/8 th ounce load. The shoot went from 4:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. and in that time period we rolled 502 crows. I made a note the day of that shoot that we were shooting in vollies! As soon as Boyds gun was empty he would yell "out" and he would get out of the way and I'd come up shootin. When I was empty I'd say "out" and then I'd get out of his way, and this went on for two solid hours non stop. Boyd shot 276 and I shot 226 that afternoon. At that period in time, this was the second 500 bird shoot that Boyd and I had together. This was in 1979.

Here is another shoot from November, 1979 in Reno county where Boyd & I shot 476 crows from 3:30 p.m. to 5:30 p.m. All 20 gauge, Boyd shot 266 and I shot 210 that day. I fired 379 hulls and Boyd fired just shy of 500 hulls that afternoon!

Hey, here is my very first big time shoot solo. December 1 st, 1979 in Reno county, Kansas. I shot 410 crows with 632 rounds of 20 gauge ammo and I was done, I had no more ammo, I was out! It still haunts me to this day not knowing "what might have been if I had enough ammo that day" the crows were still flying good when I quit and I was sick, thats all I can say. I shot from 7:10 a.m. to 12:10 p.m. that day. 20 degrees out & clear with a 3 to 5 mph nw wind.

December 25 th 1980
Boyd & I shot 503 crows from 8:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. 3 degrees out wind sw 10 to 20 mph.
My notes said that this was the forth 500 bird shoot of our partnership together since 1974.
They are in order here, 542, 520, 502, and 503.

I hope you enjoyed this window into the past because "it's crow hunting history"

Talk to you guys soon.

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Here is a good one from January 24 th 1983 in Sedgwick county Kansas.

Boyd Robeson & I shot 611 crows from 7:40 a.m. to 11:20 a.m. 30 degrees out, wind - NE 5 to 15 mph.

I shot my 27,000 th crow on that shoot back in 1983.

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Bob
have you ever thought of writing a how to book on crow hunting ? All the books available are from the early years ( I think I have most of them) could you list all the books on crow shooting you have.

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If you ever make another dvd,I would like to see you spend more time on different set ups,with the wind and other variables,deke and blind placement in relation to wind.Dont get me wrong I dont mind watching you shoot crows,but I would rather watch me shoot crows.smile

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Hello Shane,

You can see me setting up on a morning crow hunt in "Crow Shooting"

If I ever do another dvd it will be a while because they are costly to make and you don't get much return on you're investment. So if I do another one it sure won't be for the money, it will be for posterity!

In both of my dvd's you can see several differen't setups both flyway shoots and field setups.

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Hello Justin,

The books I have (paperback & hard cover) are as follows:

1. Crow Shooting By Bert Popowski

2. Crow Shooting Secrets By Dick Mermon (hard cover)

3. Crow Shooting Secrets Two By Dick Mermon (soft cover)

4. Hunting Crows Year Round By Charles Adams (hard cover)

5. Olt's Hunting Handbook By Bert Popowski (hard cover)

6. Crow Calling By Bert Popowski (soft cover)

7. Calling All Varmints By Bert Popowski (hard cover)

8. Crow Hunters Bible By Bert Popowski (soft cover)


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"I see one shoot where in 2004 I shot 500 crows even that day. My notes said that I rolled the first 200 within one hour and 12 minutes. "


That is crazy Bob. I could only dream of getting in a crow shoot like that. worship.gif

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Awesome post Bob! I could only dream of getting that many in one day! If you're ever in need of a hunting partner, I'm usually available, LOL!

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Ha and any one who knows I crow hunt or has hunted with me laugh when I take 100 extra rounds in the truck and prolly 75 in my hip bag. Never had to use it all but I am never gonna have a story where I run out of shells that's for sure.

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Ha and any one who knows I crow hunt or has hunted with me laugh when I take 100 extra rounds in the truck and prolly 75 in my hip bag. Never had to use it all but I am never gonna have a story where I run out of shells that's for sure.



lol...i couldnt understand and agree more.

 



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Hello Jared,

I don't get them all the time, sometimes they get me when I use bad judgement that day. Sometimes you can have an extreeme wind shift which will kill crow hunting operations for the spot your in.

Hey, here is a hot one for you, sometime back in the 1990's (I'd have to get my journals out for the exact date) I had just gotten permission to hunt this ranchers ground and shot 526 crows using both a 12 and 20 gauge that day. I shot from around 8:00 a.m. to around 1:45 p.m. that day. The rancher came by as I was picking up and he asked me how many I shot, I said over 500, he said go get your gear out of the motel. He insisted that I stay at his home free of charge! I was friends with him for many years after that and spent several New Years Eve parties at there home. I got to meet several other ranchers as well, "I was in" as they say.

Here is the funny part, I wanted to get a good photo of this magnificent slaughter but didn't have a camera with me. He goes back to the house and brings his wife out there with a 35mm camera. Only problem was that when she got the film developed after our photo session she found out that "she put the damn film in backwards into the camera" all those fine photos were lost! So, there is a lesson to be learned here, either bring you're own camera or never let a woman do things for you!

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Bob I have the tough question for you.

How guys have you ever heard of shooting over 500 in one day?

My best day to date is 375 and things were slow and in control you may say.

Not how many times just how many guys do you think have ever shot more then 500 in a day?

My guess is less then 10

I have shot limits daily of every other bird and can not imagine the skill difference from us amateurs and the 500 club.

Thanks John :)

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It is amazing to shoot more than 500 crows in a day!!!

Here, in Quebec , Canada, I'm more than happy when I find a field with more than 500 crows feeding in.

I can't imagine kill 500 crows........my goal is to reach the 100 kills in one day....

Good job Bob!

And, post as much pictures as possible, it is alway fun to see amazings hunts!!!

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Hello John,

OK, we are talking about one shooter here.

Boyd Robeson from Iowa. Boyd had shoots over 600 by himself in the mid 1960's to late 1960's

Jerry Byroade from Maryland (Jerry only had one shoot in his whole life like that)

Dick Kilbane from Ohio. Dick has had two shoots over 1,000 by himself! 1,212 setting up twice in one day and 1,052 in one spot never moving except to make another ammo run.

Paul Getty from Wisconsin ( he has not hunted in years)

These guys are on the level I know all of them.

Jim Lundquist never made it to 500 but he is quite happy with all the good shoots he has had over the years.

So we are talking about 5 guys in the nation that I know of, encluding me.

Not even Bert Popowski, Red Watt or Tony Hoover ever shot 500 or more by themself in one day.

I hope this answers you're question John.

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John,

In the Crow Hunters Bible there is a photo that Bert Popowski took of one of his friends with 124 crows laid out. I used to dream of the day I would get a shoot like that, and now many years later a shoot like that is quite common.

I invited Bert Popowski on a crow hunt back in the early 1970's to do a hunt here in Reno County and Stafford County. I live in Reno County and Stafford County is 40 miles west of Hutchinson. In those days there were two very big roosts of one million plus crows at each one. Bert said he hunted in Reno County back in the late 1950's and said the roost at Medora was twice as large when he hunted down here. I get the same story from the locals, when I first started hunting in Reno County in 1968 there were more birds than when I moved here 6 years later in 1974. The first 50,000 crows I shot were mainly in Reno and Stafford Counties from 1974 to 1990.

But getting back to Bert Popowski, his health was failing by the early 1970's and was just not up to it. I spoke with Bert many times over the phone and he said he wished I would have called him even a year sooner and things would have been differen't. Bert passed away in 1978 if my memory serves me right. Bert was a very decent kind of a guy. I used to love just listning to his stories of shoots in Superior Nebraska back in the 1940's before I was even born! This is one of the reasons I am starting to write a few articles about crow hunting , because it's my way of honoring Berts memory.

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Bob I am so happy to hear about your writings, I enjoy your stories as much or more then you enjoyed Bert's wink.

Ok so we have 5 guys in the solo 500 hundred club.

How many 2 man hunts do you know of where it went over 500?

You answered my question perfectly!

Thanks wanna be crow hunter John!

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Hello John,

All the above.

I had two 500 + shoots with Drew Moore

I had some 500 and 600 bird shoots with Boyd Robeson & Jim Lundquist over the years. Even had one over 800 with Boyd Robeson back in 1982.

Had two 500 + bird shoots with Dick Kilbane over the last 7 seasons. 558 and 543

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Hey Bob, I read that article and it was a nice read. I noticed you were shooting a full choke. You usually shoot a more open choke, don't you? Was there a reason for the full?

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Hello Levi,

Years back all I shot was full choke in 12 & 20 gauge. The times I would shoot a more open choke such as modified or improved cylender was when the crows were either very erratic on a very windy day or when they were coming in more than three at a time. The reason is quite simple, you have more room for slop when you have to hurry. I favor improved cylender when the shooting is fast & furious.

The two Beretta Urikas that I have been using for five years both pattern pretty much the same with a modified choke in both guns. But they don't pattern like a modified in either gun, they shoot more like a full choke. Most of the time the crows come in just one or two at a time and that is ideal shooting where you can have a high percentage. In that type of shooting you can just about shoot any choke you like. I just happen to like smoking them in mid air and that is why I use the tighter chokes.

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John,

375 crows in a day or a half a day was a good shoot even 35 years ago!

What were you're 3 best shoots last season?

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Bob wrote:

John,

375 crows in a day or a half a day was a good shoot even 35 years ago!

What were you're 3 best shoots last season?

Bob A.



Bob hope I did not mislead you I never have had a shoot over 100 by myself all my shoots are with other guys so they are 2 man shoots and here they are.

375
287
223

I want in the 500 club soooooooo bad but not as bad as  a brown crow or a banded crow :)

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Those are darn nice shoots.Most of us on here would love a shoot with those numbers.smile

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John,

375 crows is still a hell of a shoot even with two shooters.

Before I forget, last season Dick & I ran into two guys in Ohio who had a hell of a shoot the morning Dick & I were scouting. We didn't want to bother them so we came back a few hours later as they were picking up. They killed 513 crows in one spot! When I got close all I heard was "hey, are you Bob Aronsohn" we have you're crow hunting dvd's. Anyway they were young guys, one was 40 and the other was 26 years old. They did the best I ever saw with just an owl decoy and a Buster flapping away by the owls tallons. They had him up high in the timber on a pole. We all went out to dinner that nite, swell fellas, they said they have been hunting crows seriously for 10 years. This was there biggist shoot they ever had. It must have been fate for Dick & I to show up on such a momentous occassion.

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They had a 513 bird shoot,got to meet Bob and Dick,crow hunting legends,and went to dinner with them,wow talk about a shoot you will never forget!!! winner.gif
Those guys should play the lottery!!! They are so lucky!!!biggrin

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Bob, your record keeping and knowledge of crow hunting history is awesome man, one of
the reasons I enjoy this site!

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well bob, it might just be me but i think there are alot of pa crow hunters on this site. surprisingly, I havent read about anybody gettting one of those nice flyway shoots in yet, including me. but these veteran guys I would think they know the spots.

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Shoots to dream of.....
Heck, right now if I had a shoot that put 50 on the ground, it would be an awesome day.




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Hello Ben, (crokil)

PA still has lots of crows. They had a roost close to Gettysburg, PA up until the late 1980's that had estimates of close to two million crows! That was as big as the one at Medora, Kansas in it's hay day back in the 40's & 50's.

Ft. Cobb, Oklahoma had the largest roost in North America and the population would vary from year to year, but they had estimates of anywhere from 11 million on up to 15 million crows at one roost.

Boyd Robeson and I hunted the Ft. Cobb area back in the 1970's together. I even hunted it back in the late 1960's before Boyd and I started hunting together. There were also lots of crow hunters that hunted them as well back in those days. At "Bob's Crow Roost Motel" they had a book that you signed and you put down the state you were from. In 1970 they had guys there from 26 differen't states that season! Don't let anybody tell you differen't, they also had a lot of spooky crows there as well from all the pressure.

On average I got much better crow hunting in Kansas with a fraction of the birds to work with because they were not pressured like the ones at Ft. Cobb. If you hit it right at the beginning of the season down there you could do quite well. Dick Kilbane had the best week of his life at Ft. Cobb years ago, he shot just over 3,000 crows in 6 days of shooting by himself! That means he averaged 500 crows a day. Dick said not all those shoots were from one location, some he setup twice in one day. But that is the best he ever did in all the years of hunting them.

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wow bob, its nice to read all the history you have behind yourself

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Hey Bob,
Have you thought about writing a book? I bet it would be good. I'm about 2/3's through Crow Shooting by Bert Popowski. I'm looking for some of the other books you suggested, too.

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Hello Levi,

Bert Popowski was a wonderful writer, he could sure conjure up images in your minds eye as you read about any of his hunting trips afield.

I will check into how much it would cost me to start a venture like writing a book about crow shooting. Perhaps the toughest job is finding a publisher who would do the job.


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Hey, here is a funny story for you guys. I was at a hog roast last nite and was talking about old times in Reno county where I live. The daughter of one of the farmers was sitting at the same table I was and she said "Bob do you remember years ago when you came out to the farm and forgot you're guns" I said I sure do! What happened that fatefull day was I was in a hurry and left both my shotguns leaning against the outside wall of the garage when I took off for the afternoon.

When I drove into the pasture of this farmers ground I had to go through a gate right by the house. When I was driving to my spot it looked like the ground was moving there were so many crows on the move! I'm all excited because I know I'm going to get a good shoot. I get all my ammo out for the blind (500 rounds) and go to grab my guns and to my horror, they were not there! I knew I was to far from home to go get them and be able to make it back in time, so all I was concerned about was getting back before some yahoo stole them! As I was headed for the gate Angie saw me coming and had it open by the time I got there, she said "why are you leaving so soon" I said " I forgot my damn guns" she has never let me forget it and that was over 30 years ago!

As I was driving home I was a total mad man, I was so damn mad at myself I was hitting the steering wheel of the pickup as I was driving down the black top. At the stop light I was yelling at myself out loud saying "you stupid SOB" I was just nuts for a while there!

The reason I think this is so funny now is because we have all been there over something in our lives!

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Bob, that is hillarious! I've forgotten some things, but never the gun. I wouldn't put it past me to forget it, though.

You're making me hungry for a hog roast. My family used to raise hogs and every year we would have a hog roast. Talk about delicious.

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Hi Levi,

Yea, they cooked up a 230 pound hog, I'm still full from last nite. Then we had a huge bon fire which lasted into the nite. There were people there that I've known for almost 40 years.

That gal Angie, her parents were sick and could not make it to the hog roast. I asked Amanda one of there other three daughters if she could make up a couple of plates of food and I would run it by the farm on the way home.

In this part of the world nobody locks there door. I knocked at the door, no answer, so I walked into the dark house and said in a very loud voice (because I didn't want to get shot) hey John & Nancy it's Bob, still no answer, so I opened up the frig and put the food in and left.

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Hey, here is a funny story for you guys. I was at a hog roast last nite and was talking about old times in Reno county where I live. The daughter of one of the farmers was sitting at the same table I was and she said "Bob do you remember years ago when you came out to the farm and forgot you're guns" I said I sure do! What happened that fatefull day was I was in a hurry and left both my shotguns leaning against the outside wall of the garage when I took off for the afternoon.

When I drove into the pasture of this farmers ground I had to go through a gate right by the house. When I was driving to my spot it looked like the ground was moving there were so many crows on the move! I'm all excited because I know I'm going to get a good shoot. I get all my ammo out for the blind (500 rounds) and go to grab my guns and to my horror, they were not there! I knew I was to far from home to go get them and be able to make it back in time, so all I was concerned about was getting back before some yahoo stole them! As I was headed for the gate Angie saw me coming and had it open by the time I got there, she said "why are you leaving so soon" I said " I forgot my damn guns" she has never let me forget it and that was over 30 years ago!

As I was driving home I was a total mad man, I was so damn mad at myself I was hitting the steering wheel of the pickup as I was driving down the black top. At the stop light I was yelling at myself out loud saying "you stupid SOB" I was just nuts for a while there!

The reason I think this is so funny now is because we have all been there over something in our lives!

Bob A.



Thats enough to make a crow buster cry!!!!!!!!!!!!crying.gif

 



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most important part, i always forget my liscense. i had already lost it this year and had to get a replacement. i get so mad at myself.

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            Thanks for getting back to me! I appreciate the info! Never had over a hundred day shoot on crows, but pigeons ,close to the 700 mark,but "THAT WAS YEARS AGO!!" I have a paper back version of The crow and Varmit Hunters Bible by Bert,I paid a 1.95 for it!! I love that picture of "RED" Watt on page 35 with his pet crow "JUDAS" - Those Canny Crows Its good to see all of us keeping the tradition alive!!

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Hizz,

Did you shoot that many pigeons by yourself or with another shooter? Also, was it in the USA or outside the USA? Either way that is an outstanding shoot no matter where in the world it took place! Bravo, that is a lot of pigeons!

Yup, I have the same Varmint Hunters Bible and bought it in Great Neck, New York in 1963 for $ 1.95 as well. I made .80 cents an hour in those days working a summer job!

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Here is a real good shoot from 1994 the day I first shot on this ranchers ground for the first time.

From 7:40 a.m. until 1:40 p.m. I rolled 523 crows with 721 20 gauge hulls using # 8 shot.

Then on February 28th 1995 I shot a whopping 56 crows from 7:10 a.m. to 9:30 a.m. but the thing that made it note worthy was that I went over 70,000 crows that day since 1974.

Here is a good one from January 1996, this was a wild afternoon shoot on a good flyway, from 3:30 p.m. to 6:30 p.m. I rolled 502 crows with 669 12 & 20 gauge hulls. My notes from that shoot said I shot over 50 doubles, three triples that I could remember and one Quadruple. I used # 8 1/2 shot in the 20 gauge and # 7 1/2 shot in the 12 gauge that day.

Here are some 500 bird shoots that I had with Boyd Robeson my crow hunting mentor who took me out of the dark ages. From 1974 to 1994 they are as follows: 502, 503, 510, 519, 520, 542, 573, 583, 611, 635, 657, and 859. I damn sure miss old Boyd, I think of him a lot every time fall rolls around, he was one of a kind.

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          That was in the good old U.S.A. in The Peoples Republic Of Mass.!! some 25 years back on a pig farm we used to gun. 2 shooters my buddy and me who were and still are avid trap/skeet/sporting clay's shooters.We arived at 6:30 a.m.with 2 five gallon pails full of #8,1oz1/8/18.5 grns. red dot, his model 1100,no plug and my trusty model12 30" vent rib/full choke,no plug- we ran out of shells at 1 p.m. o'clock and went to a friend of ours who sold shells nearby and bought a half case of blue magics and shot them also!! WE were hard pressed to keep the guns loaded!! He christened me that day as "The King Of Swing" and I him as "THE MASTER OF DISASTER" The labs were litteraly dragging ass,I'm glad we were able to do it as that was truly "A GOOD OLD DAY!!"biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

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