So who has been on a crow hunting trip? Im not talking about going to hunt with somebody where an over night stay is required. Im talking about a true free lance (or guided I guess) hunt where you had to be away from home for several days.
Years back I remember a short trip where I was alone. One of the best trips in all the years of hunting them, I shot 1163 crows in 3 days of shooting. This was back in the mid 1980's.
There was another good one with Boyd Robeson, the two of us shot a little over 3,000 crows in 7 days of shooting, all 20 gauge in those days. We setup twice (one morning shoot & one afternoon shoot) each day for 7 days straight. This was also back in the early 1980's.
Drew Moore & I shot a little over 1,900 crows in 6 shooting days back in 2001. He wrote the article "Ole Time Crow Shooting in the 21st Century" It is in the Advanced Articles section of Crow Busters.
Thats all I remember off hand.
Bob A.
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I have done this on a number of occasions but the best and by far the successful was flying from Dallas to the eastern seaboard back in 2008 to crow hunt with Skip Woody's A-Team...
It was a wonderful adventure and Skip's hospitality was outstanding. Watching him and his A-team cohorts working as a well oiled team, hammering crows dodging through the tight tree canopy's they hunt was very impressive and more than a little intimidating as their typical shots are much tougher than ours in "open air". While I only dropped a handful of crows, the "team" combined for a daily total of 119, covering about 20 stands, on the day we went out "running and gunning". Unusual weather (snow!) prevented another day of hunting, but Skip kindly arranged shooting range and gun show visits to keep me entertained. Hunting shoulder to shoulder with a "crow man" of Skip's pedigree and getting ribbed by the "A-Team" for questionable hunting skills only added to this fine experience. This crow hunting trip of a lifetime was very fun, quite educational and I enjoyed every minute of my visit.
Bob: Your comments are most kind and thank you! It was a treat having the titular head of the Texas Crow Patrol here... an honor in fact. And yes, our shooting amidst the trees does offer a different set of gunning challenges vs. your sort of wide open shooting, but you got the hang of it midway though the day. We rarely have guests inasmuch as the A Team is 4 guys and we hunt hard only during Jan. and Feb...(waiting for deer season to end ) so our days together are few...and trying to hide 4 folks is tough enough. Plus, we can only hunt Wed, Frid and Sat.. here in North Carolina. Fortunately one of our team members was unable to go with us that weekend.. leaving an open slot for you. Our total of 119 that day was sub-par...but it did not limit the fun factor. Nothing like making stands with enthusiastic crow hunters..and you certainly fit that description.
As for the ribbing... we do that to each other all the time... it adds a certain spice.. to the togetherness!!! We wanted to make sure you felt like a team member!!
Charles and I traveled 5 hours north last summer and stayed for 4 days hunting crows. We were on the Maine/Canadian border. What a good time, I don't think those crows have ever been hunted before. They came in stupid easy, can't wait to get back up there.
For the past three years we have hunted in Georgia & South Carolina with Jerry Tomlin, aka "Crow Man". We have worked out a system, using a family property between Aiken & Augusta as a "base" for our event. This is how it works:
Cook a big breakfast for the guys and head out to the pecan orchard or peanut field scouted out by Jerry. Be in the blind by sunup and shoot till around noon. We typically hit 50 birds, but have had a few days of 100-150 crows.
Leave the crow field and shoot a round of sporting clays at a nearby facility (several in the area, depending on where we are hunting). Return to base and fish in the pond until dinner. Go into town to eat at a nice restaurant.
Repeat same on day 2, but no sporting clays or fishing as we are headed home. For the past two years, I have repeated the hunt with three different groups of friends, ending up with 6 days of hunting, but with three different sets on hunting buddies.
We have had some great memories and have already booked our 2011 hunt! Would recommend Jerry to anyone who in interested in a well organized crow hunt. If interested, his phone # is: (478) 457-4747 Website: http://www.thecrowroost.com/
I.S.
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That sounds like a lot of fun and I think mixing in some fishing is something we in the Texas Crow Patrol should do more often for an afternoon activity. Lone Star Phil is planning a trophy catfish mission in the next few days, but decrowing is not on that program.
I like the idea of sporting clays, too. We are blessed in Dallas with a great local course - www.ElmFork.com - and we need to go there more often, too. I did some "rifle sighting in" work there on Sunday and the recent improvements on that side of the operation are first class.
We have not done any shooting over peanuts, as yet, but plan to remedy that in 2011!
Here is a little story for you guys, last season Dick Kilbane and I were checking out some brand new territory to hunt in. The both of us uaually stay at some flea bag motel to keep the cost down for any trip we take together. My door in the room I stayed in had a bullet hole through the door! I used it as a peep hole to look through lol!
Dick & I went back there this season, thats where I slipped on the ice (9 degrees out that day) and broke a rib. I hunted the first day after I fell on the ice and was so damn stiff I couldn't move inorder to catch up to the birds on a lot of shots. The first day Dick shot 201 and I shot 86. I left the next morning for home. Dick called me on his cell phone and said he shot 425 crows up until noon then setup again on an afternoon flyway shoot and shot an additional 131 crows for a total of 556 for the day, yup, I sure missed a good one!
He went out the next morning and it was 2 degrees outside! He shot over 300 that morning, I have to ask him what he did in the afternoon. Dick is a very tough old bird, he just turned 76 and is in very good shape.
Bob A.
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Hope you are still "on the mend" these days and are at 100% already! The one advantage to your misfortune is that those of us who are hunting crows downstream from you get to shoot more birds while you are taking it easy!
Gadget Bob,
Elm Fork has a good reputation in the sporting clays community and they host regular tournamnents there. I have yet to shoot there, but may in the not-too-distant future. Scott Robertson (Nationally ranked shooter) also does a lot of work with them. Texas, as you probably know, has more registered sporting clays shooters than any other state. They have lead Florida (#2) by almost 3 times for the past few years!
Also, Texas currently has at least 83 shooting clubs (10-15 near Dallas), of which 43 of them throw sporting clays targets! Here is one map: http://www.claytargetsonline.com/list.php/TX Let me know if you need more specifics.
Good Hunting, and Merry Christmas to all!
I.S.
-- Edited by Island Shooter on Thursday 23rd of December 2010 06:27:27 PM
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You are correct about Scott (he manages Elm ForK with his mom - Jeanie Almond) and the popularity of sporting clays in Texas. I used to shoot a fair amount of our local tournaments. A number of us took clay shooting lessons from Scott's mom and that was very helpful.
During that time I met and shot with a number of the "greats" such - Bobby Fowler, Andy Duffy, Jon Kruger and one of my personal favs - Wendell Cherry in addition to Scott himself. Shooting behind or in front of these guys is intimidating but educational for hackers like me. Scott Robertson has repeatedly demonstrated the effectiveness of our Metrogun's in a trained professional hands on some pretty tough clay target presentations, when we hook up with him as we practice at Elm Fork.
Regards,
Gadget Bob
-- Edited by Gadget Bob on Thursday 23rd of December 2010 06:53:44 PM
I feel a little better with each passing day, but will not be 100% for at least another 6 weeks. I will be good enough to shoot within the next week to 10 days, but no heavy lifting! I have to be very carefull not to trip or fall again as I don't want to break that same rib before it has had a chance to really mend well!
I have just been throwing small logs on the fire here at home. It was 18 degrees this morning here in Hutchinson, KS.
I hope Santa brings you what you want this Christmas!
Bob A.
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No doubt the high point in November, heck, for 2010, for me was responding to an invitation to visit/hunt with the Texas Crow Patrol. Gadget Bob was kind enough to invite me down and expose me to all things Texas and all things Texas Crow Patrol! I disregarded warnings from my wife and virtually every other person whose opinion I value and headed to the Lone Star State the week before Thanksgiving. My greatest fear: I would not be able to take or handle enough "gadgets" for me to qualify as a real crow hunter by TCP standards and by the gadget man himself: Bob Irving.
Unfortunately, my plane was 4 hours late in departing (navigational issues) and we missed the Texas BBQ Bob had planned with all three members of the TCP( Gadget Bob, Texas Matt and Lone Star Phil ) plus others who have applied for membership but whose applications are still pending. I am very sorry events did not allow us to make that dinner. Perhaps next time. I was greeted, however, at the airport by Gadget and Jonathan Greig, a good friend of Bob's and I could not have gotten a warmer welcome.
As for my fear of being "under-gadgeted" suffice to say when we departed the next morning for pecan orchards unknown, the bed of Gadget's Toyota truck...Toyota One..was full to the brim with equipment (read 'gadgets') I could not imagine would ever be used to kill a crow. I felt insecure immediately. There were going to be 3 of us hunting. Packed in the bed of the truck were 11 guns. ELEVEN..and I did not even bring one of my own. My mind was racing..trying to figure out if, but worse, when I would be required to use several guns at one time! I mean why else would we have 11? You can imagine my anxiety. Eleven guns for 3 shooters...good grief. I further stressed that one of those guns might be a double barrel loaded with #6's..but little did I know a more sinister plot awaited me: the use of the Metro.
We departed Gadget's very nice home at 0540 hours and was told we were meeeting our 3rd guy, Matt Hunt (Texas Matt) at our first orchard several hours away. When we arrived, I could hear crows in the orchard but then I heard shots!! The shots were coming from our 3rd hunter and I thought how inconsiderate! Matt had arrived first and commenced shooting, a cardinal sin, before the "guest"..me.. had arrived. We found out quickly he has spotted a coyote and had taken a few shots with his AR-15. No joy, but shots were fully excused. A few minutes later, I was being equipped for my first action with the TPC. It was still early, but I could see the gun I was given was unlike anthing I had ever seen before.
A cammoed Browning BPS 12 gauge pump with a 3-foot barrel extension screwed in where the choke should be was thrust into my hands. The barrel extension was perforated along it's complete length with 4 rows of small holes at 12, 3, 6 and 9 o'clock. I filled my pockets with "Metro" ammo Bob has specially loaded for that gun and headed towards where we were going to set up. I had not walked 3 steps when I felt something pushing my arm backwards. It was the barrel of the Metro. I had stuck the muzzle in the ground picking up dirt/leaves. I quickly learned that if you carry that gun like you would a normal gun, you will stick the muzzle in the ground about every other step. Matt said "yeah, this happens a lot. We should have warned you." I should have interpreted my first Metro experience as an omen. Omens, as I have seen in several movies tend not to be good things.
Replete with my face mask, gloves, leafy camo all on, Snow Crow Fox Pro at the ready, I found myself under a pecan tree with about 70% of it's leaves still in place. Crow music started and we immediately had 25 birds headed straight towards us...about 25 yards up..perfect shots I was thinking.
I tried to swing the Metro at overhead birds only to have the barrel bump low limbs/leaves. I tried to swing on close-in passing birds, easy shots normally, but suffered from rookie mistakes learning how to maneuver the 5 foot barrel. I tried to figure out just which crows I could shoot but frustration quickly overloaded me. When I finally did fire I was so engaged in trying to manage the Metro, I forgot my gun would not shoot again without some mechanical action. The specs on the ammo Bob gave me pegged speed at 975 fps, subsonic, low recoil ( I should say NO recoil) and very low noise. I missed the ones overhead, I missed the ones to my right and I missed the ones to my left. But I did not engage to ground again: a victory of sorts. I did eventually kill 12-13 crows that morning with 2,653 shots ( well, it seemed that way) and when they fell no one was more amazed than me.
The sole purpose of the Metro is low noise coupled with the thinking it scares fewer birds therefore increases your TBC. If this is actually true, then this is a positive: the only positive in my view. Otherwise, range is limited to 25 yards, perhaps 30, leading a fast flying crow is near impossible, catching up with an evasive crow is impossible, the device an only be employed properly somewhere on a football field with NO obstructions within 30 yards in all directions. Further, I think the barrel "droops" as it get hot giving the shooter an aiming plane like a bamboo fishing pole and I am sure the continued use of it would cause emotional issues (psychotic gadget collecting, for example) and no experience I have ever had with any kind of weapon even approaches the frustration I had while in action with the Metro. If anyone ever suggests you try a Metro gun, run, move, change your address, change your name, falsify your death certificate. Metro "Verboten" got it!!
Now all that aside, we did kill crows both days. I am forbidden by TCP protocol from revealing numbers but there are fewer crows left for seed for next year. Bob was kind enough to let me use his Maxus and regular ammo the rest of the trip. We even went on "night ops" with Bob armed with his 10 gauge and night lights. Several fur bearing animals met a grim demise via that weapon. Night ops...was new to me but part of most TCP outings I learned.
Before departing for home, I was humbled by the presentation of the "trophy you see pictured here. In essence, I received the Texas Crow Patrol's "Blue Max" award as a "Hero of the Crow Struggle". I think I am the first recipient and I am sincere when I say this was an honor. The "patriotic" bird sits on a block of solid pecan, wearing a custom made leather WWI helmet hand made by Phil Masters-Lone Star Phil and a replica of the "Blue Max".
Anyone remembering the movie "The Blue Max" knows the significance of this award that gained fame courtsey of the creation of aeral combat in WWI through the exploits of those daring pilots. Thousands of soldiers down in the trenches watched in awe the dogfights overhead. To earn the Blue Max a pilot had to have 8 aerial victories which was later changed to 16. The first pilot to win the medal on Jan 12, 1916 was the German Max Immelmann. The second was Manfred Von Richthofen, known today as the Red Baron. My trophy is indeed a fine award and it stands proudly in my Crow Hall of Honor. My grand kids are already lobbying to have me leave it to one of them. What more can I say. I was humbled.
Bob has many orchard owners who value his services and who genuinely like and appreciate what Bob and the TCP does. He is a credit to the Texas Crow Patrol and to Crow Busters as is Matt Hunt and Phil Masters. I strongly encourage anyone who might be invited to hunt with them to accept the invitation. I could not have been treated more kindly or considerately. It was a trip and an experience I will forever remember. Thank you Bob, Phil and Matt. You have a standing invite to hunt with my A-Team here in North Carolina...anytime.
Skip, You certainly can tell a story. Nicely done. I'm glad you enjoyed the trip and the trophy, maybe next time, you can try out our double metro technology. Maybe that will help you overcome your aversion to these remarkable devices.
Skip, Regarding the sidearm... One must be prepared for all eventualities. Perhaps you recall one of the final scenes of Saving Private Ryan, when Capt. Miller is mortally wounded, and his last line of defense is his 1911 pistol. He engages a German tank with said weapon, as there was nothing else he could do. I invision myself going out in a similar manner, as the TCP's position (the "Alamo") is overrun by an angry group of marauding crows. I'll need that wheelgun to make my last stand.
The reason Matt packs a large caliber wheelgun on many of our hunts is because we see coyotes, deer, raccoons and even hogs occassionally when crow hunting.
Hi All,
Here is the inscription on Skip's well deserved trophy as the Texas Crow Patrol recognized him for his with lifetime body of work in the realm of "anti-varminting":
No one is more deserving of this "honor" and we throughly enjoyed hunting and visiting with Skip. While he is not a "Maestro of the Metro" (his early attempt to pole vault with it was noteworthy) his status as a "Master of the Maxus" is unquestionable.
He shared a number of very useful crow hunting tips with us and I will post that information soon. I suspect it will be valuable to the Crowbuster community at large.
We (Watch Em Fall and myself) have talked about going on a crow hunting trip and may do some at some point. There is so much research that has to be done before you do so. Since you are going to an area you have never been before, don't have permission yet, don't know if there are crows around, etc...it makes the research even harder. I did email a person who owns a pecan orchard. He emailed me back and said I would be welcome to hunt his orchard and even told me what month to come. We may take him up on the offer. Getting as much info as possible before a 6, 8 , 10, 14 hour drive is a MUST. And, I'm just like every other crow hunter out there, I don't give up to much information on the whereabouts of crows...so that makes it harder yet. I can assume there are high numbers in the agricultural states but it's almost pointless to email a crow hunter asking if there are big numbers around. They don't want to give up there honey holes..haha.. That's probalby the biggest challenge in trying to set up a crow hunting trip. BUT, I have other avenues for researching crow hot spots (check with extension offices, check with sportsmans clubs, check with state game commissions, etc.).
Anyone else have ideas, tips, suggestions on how to find somewhere different to hunt? Maybe the cornfields of Iowa/Illinois or the flyways of Texas, or the pecan/peanuts in the soutern states, etc., etc.???
Matt, from a human standpoint you look like a very formidable adversary! I can only imagine the terror your image would bring upon crowdom! Interesting setup but I too feel I would have trouble with "Metro" technology. Nice Ruger on your hip as well, important to be prepared for anything as crows have been known to charge when wounded. Thanks for sharing guys.
Ted
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Hi Matt. Do you suppose there's a way to cap off the bottom barrel on that thing & drop a spring in it?? That's a whole box of shells in that tube mag!! LOL