A couple questions for you experienced crow hunters, I am going out again this Friday morning to a different location in a fresh cut 30 acre cornfield (only my second crow Hunt),I have an excellent blind location and I'm already to go.I am just on the outside edge of a heavy traveled flyway (Been watching & scouting)and have located there roosting sites about 3/4 mile down the farmland owners property in a couple different locations and question #1 ...
When I start the calling at first hint of shootable daylight or start hearing the crows wake up, the 1st wave of crows that come in should I try to shoot the lead crow(s),or do I wait until the majority group or murder fly in close and start swooping/landing etc?? I will be using my 12 decoy friendly feeding set up spread just out in front of me to about 25-30 yards with a couple centuries in trees and my busterII flapper just off the ground in the middle of my spread at a couple ft' high.
Question#2...Do you guys prefer or have any certain methods or patterns that you like to see in the birds before you fire the 1st shot to get the action going?I have been seeing the last four mornings at around 175-250 birds in a couple different groups landing in this field within the first hr. of daylight.
Conclusion.. I just want to make shure that I have the best possible chance to take out as many as I can in the first group or two that I get to come in as I have a feeling that I will be in this blind for awhile I hope. Thanks guys!
Shoot every crow that comes within range. Also hunt where the crows want to be such as the feeding field you have scouted. Don't let birds gather and circle. For the few that you kill many will be educated. As for calling patterns, if you are using an ecaller don't go to crow's fighting or distress sounds right off. Simple crows gathering will have targets leasurely coming in to hopefuly be aded to the TBC. Good luck! Post your results!
Ted
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Shooting the lead crow is a judgement call. If it's alone or the others are really lagging I take him if passing on one gives me a better shot at 2 I sometimes pass but a good rule ofthumb just starting out is shoot the ones you can worry bout doubles later right now you need to get the hang of set up and shooting over the set up. Baby steps first then you can pass on one to get 2 or 3. You will be amazed at how they pay no attn to gun shots at farther ranges. Shoot lots have fun and let us know how you do.
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Like Ted said, shoot any crow that comes into range no matter if it is the first bird of the morning or the last bird of the day. That being said, if you see or hear other crows coming in the distance (like a couple hundred yards or less) as a closer bird approaches your spread make sure you pick a good shot for a "1 shot kill." If you only fire one time it has been my experience that generally the remaining crows will still commit. If you fire 3 times to kill that first bird you will likely scare off the birds trailing closely behind...unless it is windy, then this does not really apply. This is just something that Ive picked up over time and I wouldnt get too worked up over it on your second hunt.
Another thought, I personally like to keep my decoys closer than 25-30 yards out front. Waterfowl hunting is different than crow hunting, I generally keep my crow decoys pretty damn close.
For the most part, when you have the birds patterned as you do - you cant do to much wrong for the first hour of daylight...just be sure the hide is top notch and in the shadows if possible.
...being only 3/4 mile from the roost, I hope they do not come in a few super-sized groups.
Thanks guys, Now I can rest a little tonight as the questions I asked have been bugging the heck out of me. JD I understand about baby steps 1st in which I need to take in consideration and 1 step at a time,and Will do! Ok birds that are in confortable range is a greenlight then . So Should I keep my decoys in closer to my setup?? I am hunting on level ground, with a woodline and a creek 15 yards behind me along with the sunrise at my back and I looked at the setup this morning at 10:00am and my blind will be in full shade up until around 12:00 noon. I guess I'm getting a little pumped & anxious about this location because I am in crow country here folks, my first hunt in some smaller fields several miles away was a great hunt but was no way near the field size and bird count that I have seen in this area.
Those posts covered everything well just my. I agree keep decoys fairly close, but use one or two on the outside perimeter as yardage markers. I say those set at 35yrds max. once the birds pass that all you have to consider is their height, not height and distance. Any little advantage you get is a plus. My approach is let the birds wake up, then use hand call or e-call very soft for only a few seconds then wait at least 5 min. till you call again. You've heard the expression curiousity killed the cat, well it applies to crows too. After 15 min. then let call run longer or continueously. GOOD LUCK
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Watch em fall, Thanks for the great advice it is appreciated, I will try the decoy setup with a couple outside perimeter markers at about the 30yrd. range and will try the call sequence as you described, Hey I'm learning here and plus eatin this crow hunting up, great fun for me and my gun!
As for decoy placement....if you look at the pics that the guys post here, you will notice that it has a haphazard appearance. No pattern. No J, V, T, U, or whatever. If you watch live crows, they land and then pick and scratch. They could be 3 feet from each other or closer on a roadkill, or could be 40 yards from each other.
You're getting excellent advice and answers to your questions. Some other concerns to keep in mind:
1. Camouflage, camouflage, camouflage.
2. Avoid movement when crows are in the air. To that end, if you set up your pre-dawn blind ideally, your back is to the rising sun. If Friday dawns clear, keep your eye on sky in front of you and the ground below - any birds trying to "back door" you will reveal their presence in shadows on the ground.
3. Shooting any crows in range is the percentage play - no question. (Lord Nelson decreed that any ship captain that laid his ship alongside that of the enemy could not be faulted! - go with that!) There are subtleties that you might want to address, though, since you mentioned you were going solo. For instance, if more than one crow comes rocketing in to gun range and the second is right behind the first, and there is nothing to deter them, shoot the second bird, then whack the first. I call that the "Alvin C. York" shot. Can't recall ever pulling it off though since I shoot with theTexas Crow Patrol and our battery work resembles my avatar!
4. Take pictures! and share them with us! If you don't have a picture - it didn't happen!!! Plus all of us crozak poppers really appreciate the work of other affencionados!