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Glen · Senior Member

Lead ban for Crows

nhcrowshooter · Guru

The article is misleading and incomplete, the band which was effective in early January applies to shooting crows under Federally issued depredation permits. It does not yet apply to shooting crows during established seasons nor on state issued depredation permits (that I am aware of). A haringre of things to come, most likely. Remember it's the government, they are here to help.

This was discussed in another thread and I think I put a link to the applicable Federal Register that outlined the law.

-- Edited by nhcrowshooter on Wednesday 16th of March 2011 06:56:17 AM

Mainehunt · Guru

I personally spoke with the head of the Dept. of Federal Migratory Birds for the state of Maine.

Here in Maine crows are considered a migratory bird. However, even though you must plug your gun, use steel shot and electronic calls are banned, all 3 of these laws do not apply to crows in this state, only to ducks and geese.

I had called this guy because in our state's law book, it was listed that electronic called were illegal for crows, but this man assured me that it was a mistake in the book that was supposed to be fixed before it went to print.

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Glen · Senior Member

Thanks for the replies. I certainly do appreciate your insight on this. I need to find that thread now.

CrowBusters is THEE definitive source for all things crow!!

Mainehunt · Guru

Glen, What state are you in?

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nhcrowshooter · Guru

That's two years now Maine has had that "mistake" in the rule book. It was there last year two and like you I got the same response.

nhcrowshooter · Guru

Glen wrote:

Thanks for the replies. I certainly do appreciate your insight on this. I need to find that thread now.

CrowBusters is THEE definitive source for all things crow!!

The information about the Non-Tox shot requirement is here:

http://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2010/12/02/2010-30288/migratory-bird-permits-removal-of-rusty-blackbird-and-tamaulipas-mexican-crow-from-the-depredation#h-24

Mainehunt · Guru

nhcrowshooter wrote:

That's two years now Maine has had that "mistake" in the rule book. It was there last year two and like you I got the same response.

Yep, you're right. And I told this guy that it's been in the book incorrectly for a couple of years. He said, "That's what we get from those idiots down in Augusta." biggrin

(This guy with Dept. of Migratory Birds is in a Bangor office.)

Kev
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Hizzoner · Senior Member

I live in Mass. But 25+ years ago I used to call crows up in Moosehead at the dumps 1 in Lilly Bay and the other I think was called Kellehers dump? We massacered them and back then I was using a Johnny Stewart tape machine,no 1 ever bothered us! They just laughed and thought I was "CRAZY"!

lawncrow · Member

I haven't heard anything about this in PA. Since most of the steel shot I see is 4 shot or larger, there really isn't any non-lead shot available. Even if they made a
7 1/2 steel shot, I doubt it would have the hitting power of the lead shot.

Big A · Veteran Member

they do make steel shot in size 7s. we have to shoot it in Il. for doves on state land. they also make 6s which i shoot for my second shot. I use the leftover shells from dove season for cripple shells for duck season. Its funny that we dont have to shoot steel shot on the same state land when we crowhunt. all the better for me

Mainehunt · Guru

Big A wrote:

they do make steel shot in size 7s. we have to shoot it in Il. for doves on state land. they also make 6s which i shoot for my second shot. I use the leftover shells from dove season for cripple shells for duck season. Its funny that we dont have to shoot steel shot on the same state land when we crowhunt. all the better for me

I use 2.75" low brass steel #7 shot during duck season. I also use the left overs during crow season. It knocks down crows as good as the lead shot.

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Glen · Senior Member

Mainehunt-- I'm in Ohio. I sent ODNR an email to elaborate but have yet to hear from them.

Mainehunt · Guru

Glen wrote:

Mainehunt-- I'm in Ohio. I sent ODNR an email to elaborate but have yet to hear from them.

I was born and raised in North West Ohio. Between Bowling Green and Toledo, Wood county.

Kev

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Glen · Senior Member

That's cool. I am 20 minutes South of Canton. Just outside of New Philadelphia.

Mainehunt · Guru

Glen wrote:

That's cool. I am 20 minutes South of Canton. Just outside of New Philadelphia.

My mother-in-law used to live in North Canton. I'm familiar with that area.

Kev

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Glen · Senior Member

I've worked all over Canton for the last 20 years. I know it well too. lol

wingmaster · Senior Member

cry Only thing i say about crows on my land and in the trees i shoot them what ever i had. Talking about the Cal law. Steel or no steel let the lead rib lol

wingmaster · Senior Member

Glen wrote:
I am looking further into this. If anybody comes up with any more news or can find out what their respective State says about this I/We would appreciate any State/Federal law feedback you can give on this. Feel free to post any news in this thread. Thank You.

http://www.gohuntn.com/ned/reports/316-federal-government-bans-lead-ammo-for-crows-nuisance-birds

Well if the crows was on my land and in trees i shoot them what ever i had. Steel or no steel

DirtyDave · Veteran Member

nhcrowshooter wrote:
The information about the Non-Tox shot requirement is here:

http://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2010/12/02/2010-30288/migratory-bird-permits-removal-of-rusty-blackbird-and-tamaulipas-mexican-crow-from-the-depredation#h-24

So, I have been looking into Depredation permits for crows. It looks like I wont need a federal permit for crows as long as I have permission from the farmer. I will have to report my take annually to the permit office though. Is this correct?

DirtyDave · Veteran Member

A large portion of CA is already lead free to protect the Condor.

Hizzoner · Senior Member

Under this "DEPREDATION LAW" does that mean you can shoot crows out of season on land owned by a farmer ir you have permission?

ANYBODY??? confuse confuse confuse

jonthepain · Guru

It probably varies by state, but here in NC I called to get a dep permit when the crows were devastating my pecan trees, and after an hour of the run around i gave up.

Big A · Veteran Member

as soon as we plant the food plots of corn and beans in Mich. we start killin crows out of season....no permit required for crop depravation on private property.

Hizzoner · Senior Member

I'm gonna check this out! it can apply to one of the farms I gun!! smile smile