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The Mississippi Wildlife, Fisheries and Parks along with local and national groups sponsors a free 2 day shotgun shooting class. It is taught by local Mississippi native John Satterwhite who is a champion shooter, captain of the 1976 US Olympic Team  and current exhibitionist. John has won multiple national and international titles. 

 

This was a beginners class that my oldest son (9) and oldest daughter (12) took with me. We learned a TON of great information and techniques from the three instructors that were present. It was a small class of 9 so there was plenty time for one on one instruction and practice time on the sporting clay range. I am going to describe some of the things that were said in class so I can articulate them and therefore remember them better and also so that maybe someone else may learn something.

 

Birds and clays are missed in 2 ways, lead and elevation. By learning to mount a gun correctly you virtually eliminate the vertical misses leaving you only to contend with the correct lead. I will attempt to explain how the gun is supposed to held in relation to your body and why it is important to do so.

 

The stock of the gun should fit snugly under the cheek bone with the eye looking directly down the rib so only the front bead is visible and not the rib of the gun. This positions the gun to shoot 50/50. 50% of the pellets will hit above the point of aim and 50% will hit under the point of aim. By keeping the stock welded to the cheekbone, it keeps you from "peeking" over the top of the barrel and subsequently, missing high. If you pick your head up off the stock to see the target, you will shoot high EVERY time. It works just like the rear sight on a rifle. Raise the back sight and you raise the point of impact. By doing this you eliminate the vertical misses.

 

Now for how to get the gun to the cheekbone and shoulder. Your head should never move down when you mount the gun. If you raise you elbow parallel to the ground, it will raise your shoulder with it. This moves the pocket of the shoulder that the gun rides in up so you can see directly down the barrel without having to lower your head.  Stand in front of a mirror and lift your elbow parallel to the ground. At first the shoulder does not rise but as you approach parallel  the shoulder follows the elbow. If you raise your shoulder you can control where the eye is in relation to the rib plane on the barrel without having to lower your head AT ALL. The gun should touch the cheek and the shoulder at the same time which is much easier to do if your head is staying still.

 

The last thing on gun mount was where the muzzle was while mounting the gun. The muzzle should be LOCKED on the target the entire time the gun is being brought up to your face. He stood in front of a wall to where the gun would almost touch a small spot that was in front of him. His gun was in both hands at the ready as he stared at the spot on the wall. The muzzle was first brought up to the spot he was focused on then the rest of the gun was smoothly brought to bear on his shoulder and cheek at the same time. There was NO movement in the muzzle once it reached its target. It looked as if it were anchored in mid air and the rest of the gun pivoted on that muzzle anchor point. The butt of the gun was smoothly seated in the shoulder and touched the cheek at the same instant.  He did all of this in the most fluid and easy looking motion you have ever seen. When the gun touched down, it looked like it was being seated in a custom vault in Fort Knox. There was NO MOVEMENT OF ANY KIND from his hands, head or shoulder. The gun just frozen to his cheek! At this point the only way to miss was to misjudge lead as all vertical misses were eliminated.

 

Try this in front of a mirror and see how much muzzle and head movement you have. I had a lot. My barrel would run up over the target then come down below it and then back up to the spot. I kept practicing this in the mirror in slow motion till I could get the muzzle in position and the shoulder and cheek to touch at the same time. I will make this a part of my daily routine. 

 

It is on rare occasion that I get to see people that are world class athletes. I go to church with one such athlete. His name is Jeri and he is a world class and world champion ballet dancer. I have seen him dance many times. He dances with a cast of paid professional dancers but when Jeri takes the stage you instantly know greatness just arrived. Even a totally clueless redneck like me can see greatness when it is that obvious.  It was the same watching John today. I never saw him take one shot but I was in awe of the way he handled that Beretta 391. As a side note, John used to shoot for Beretta as a exhibitionist shooter. 

 

So, here is what I learned today... Proper gun mount is EVERYTHING if you want to be a great wing shooter. One of the instructors told me that if you practice this to the point it becomes muscle memory then you will be able to split your focus 90/10. 10% on the gun and 90% on the bird and that my friends should kill a lot of crows.

 

Hope you learned something.

   



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Good post Greg,

A proper gun mount will make you a better shot, both on clay birds and live ones as well. Don't forget a good stance! Keep your feet several feet apart "and face the shot" if your a right handed shooter lean forward and bend your left knee slightly, in this way you lean into the shot. If a bird comes in where you are turned the wrong way then you have to adjust your stance, also very important in good shotgunning.

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That was really cool, I had the urge to go grab the Benelli and watch my self in the mirror. I usually smoke my hunting buddies when we go pheasant hunting but after this hopefully I can get even more! Thanks for the post.

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Thanks guys! I will practice that.

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Thank you for taking the time to type that up - I appreciate it and am reaching for the long gun now!

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Bob,

 

It's almost funny how little time he spent on the lower body. His primary focus was on the upper body. He touched on eye dominance, stance, swing through, various types of leads and each of their strengths and weaknesses, judging distance, balance, and even gun fit. His primary focus was on developing a gun mount that would give consistence results. I tried to mount the gun the way he was teaching without having my feet in position and it felt unnatural. When the feet are in the correct position and the gun is anchored as it should be it feels very comfortable and natural.

 

 



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I am amazed at how much I learned since yesterday! On and off since the class I have practiced mounting the gun. I have picked a spot, steadied the muzzle, raised the butt and my elbow and seated the gun many times. I have done this very slowly making sure to achieve each goal. I have steadily increased the speed I have used to mount the gun. I am still not snapping the gun up but am using a smooth and methodical motion to seat the gun while staring at the spot. I can do this at any angle and when the gun touches down and I check the sight picture of the barrel it is lined up perfectly every time! The bead is correctly aligned down the barrel and the gun feels very natural sitting in the pocket of my shoulder and locked to my cheek. I have never been able to mount a gun consistently. I still can't believe that changed over night!

 

I will practice this as much as possible between now and August 20 as that is our next class.

 

John said he is writing a book on sport shooting. If anyone is interested I will let you know when it is available. I will be on the waiting list.



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Hi Greg,

I can tell that you have a real drive in you to want to get better, thats what it takes! You gotta want it and with that attitude you will achieve your goal.

I'm very deliberate on high and far birds as you need much more forward allowance depending on the angle of the shot. You will find over time Greg that you will use different techniques for different types of shots.

Playing pool is similar in this regard because you use a variety of different strokes to control the cue ball.

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Hey Greg,

What did the expert say on eye dominance? Because I see a lot of people shooting with their non-dominant eye closed. I shoot with both eyes open, I imagine that's the right way because without it you lose half your field of view and depth perception. But just curious as to what he said about that.

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Duce,

 

He spoke on eye dominance. His concern on dominance focused on making sure that the person shot from the same side as the dominate eye, left on left or right on right. 

He talked about shooting with both eyes open also. Assuming both eyes are functional (no injuries or physical ailments) then both eyes should be open. He briefly covered "cross firing" but that should be dealt with on and individual bases. In rifle shooting you are using sights or a scope and the distance should be know and time is usually not as big an issue. With a shotgun, you are making split second discussions and need both eyes open to properly judge distance and angle of the target. Binocular vision is what the brain uses to judge distance and that is critical to wing shooting. 

 

It is difficult enough to track a fast moving target without handicapping yourself by intentional using only half the resources God gave you to see with. He talked about people that go through the class and then tell the instructors "I know what you say is probably true, but I am going to stick with what is working for me".  They say about those people "their plate is full" meaning they "cant" change. One lady in our group refused to open her other eye. She broke about one out of 5, turned to the instructor and said, "I guess I am one of the people that just shoots better with one eye closed" He looked back at me and I surged and said "plate must be full".



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