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Big Honkers · Guru

Got screwed!!-Please Reply

gearly65 · Senior Member

Let me start by saying that I know I screwed up big time!! I took a buddy???? last year crow hunting after he asked me to take him (I have never went outside of my inner circle of hunting buddies before this). I told him up front to keep it under his hat and don't tell anyone about it. He assured me that he wouldn't, RIGHT??????????????

Anyways, I took him (I really did trust this guy) and of course he loved it. Then this summer he calls me and asked me what caller I had. I knew at that point I was screwed. I didn't tell him being that I knew what was happening and wasn't going to encourage him to screw me over. Well, he ended up getting a caller and told me that he was just going to hunt behind his house (I KNEW BETTER).

Unfortunately he lives on the best flyway (We don't have that many birds anyway) and my best spot was on that flyway only a mile or so from his house, so I knew that spot was done. I never hunted that flyway this year (which was a big favor to him) because I figured it was best to just leave it alone and maybe he would have enough shooting to keep him satisfiied (RIGHT). He is over hunting the hell out of them and has no clue the damage he is doing!!!

Well, he started off the season by hunting behind his house three times in two days. I belive it was an evening, the next morning and the next evening (Unbelievable). At this point I called him and told him that he couldn't hunt the birds (I had told him this several times before I called him) that much but he just doesn't get it. He just says that its only crows.

Anyway, he obviously burned that area up real quick and has since ventured into other areas where I hunt and of course has really ruined things for me (He obviously wasn't a real friend). I let my spots sit an average of 2 weeks before I hunt them. Guess what, we were gonna hunt one of our spots one day after letting it sit and he went right next to it and hunted it the day before we were gonna hunt it and he knew I hunted that area. I haven't talked to this guy in weeks and he thinks I don't know.

Now he is telling a bunch of non-hunters that I am crazy for being p****d at him. He committed the biggest sin in crow hunting as far as I'm concerned (I know I did by taking him) but thinks that he has done nothing wrong.

PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR OPINION OF A GUY LIKE THIS. This was the short version, believe it or not.

Bob · Guru

Greg,

You have learned a very hard lesson. It's to late now, if he does not get tired of it you had better just go find another area inwhich to hunt.

Perhaps a hunting accident might be in order here, people get shot during the hunting season sometimes! Just use a rifle and pick up your brass when your done! I know first hand about getting screwed, it can happen to anyone!

My crow hunting mentor told me years ago "a crow hunter has no friends" let that sink in real good!

Bob A.

nhcrowshooter · Guru

Bob wrote:
Greg,

You have learned a very hard lesson. It's to late now, if he does not get tired of it you had better just go find another area inwhich to hunt.

Perhaps a hunting accident might be in order here, people get shot during the hunting season sometimes! Just use a rifle and pick up your brass when your done! I know first hand about getting screwed, it can happen to anyone!

My crow hunting mentor told me years ago "a crow hunter has no friends" let that sink in real good!

Bob A.

Bob, what are you thinking? Here you are on a public forum suggesting that a poster take a rifle and murder someone, and over shooting some crows. Just how would you feel if he took your advice and killed someone, perhaps the father of some young childern. Do you really expect picking up the brass will erase the trail of the crime, most likely a second life would be ruined with incarceration for life. I want to think you said this in jest, but you don't know the people involved. What if they are unstable and take you seriously? A crow hunter that has no friends, that is a sad life if you ask me, take a look at Mainehunt taking his father and 8fisherman taking his kids. Life is about relationships. I suggest you stick to advice on shooting crows or bragging about your hunts but for God's sake don't suggest murdering someone for any reason, there is no humor in it.

-- Edited by nhcrowshooter on Wednesday 1st of February 2012 09:15:06 AM

Pat B · Senior Member

I believe what you have said. I also agree with what Bob said. "If he does not get tired of it you had better just go find another area in which to hunt." He is going to not only burn those spots but he will succeed in moving the flyway and roost. At that point his hunting will decrease. Unless he has the time/effort to scout he just may give it up. But your area will be history. I would avoid him. And IF he asks why you are p.o.'d just tell him that he violated the most basic rule of courtsey of hunting. Do NOT go to another man's honey-spot without him being with you...(also applies to fishing honey-spots !!!!) We all run into them at some point in time. I no longer hunt with a man who burned 3 nice duck ponds. He killed every duck that went to them. Now ducks no longer go to these ponds because the ducks that used to and would draw others were killed, so no ducks with any memory of those ponds or there was so much gunfire they all avoid the spot like the plague from duck generation to duck generation. I am very fussy now who I take to my favorite spots.........

Pat

M12Shooter · Guru

Good crow shooting spots don't come easy. I bush all dead crows in sight, pick up or bury my MT's in the leaves and try not to leave too much evidence behind as I don't much care to advertise. Nobody hunts crows up here and I like it that way smile

Ted

watch em fall · Senior Member

DTA DON'T TRUST ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good intentions will almost always backfire. I have one crow hunting partner, we hunt together and keep everything silent! I have people ask me all the time, I reject them. And your story is a perfect example of why. Sorry you had to live it to learn it. that guy!!!!!!!!!!!

gearly65 · Senior Member

Bob was just being humorous. He knows who I am and knows that I wouldn't do that. I can tell you that I have never been so p****d at anyone in my life.

-- Edited by gearly65 on Wednesday 1st of February 2012 04:38:54 PM

gearly65 · Senior Member

I know, I will never get over this one. I made it clear to him how I felt about this and he just don't care. He obviously wasn't a real friend in the first place. He says they are only crows and it's no big deal to him but he obviously can't stop what he is doing. He is basically hunting every Sat and Sun morning and evening. We constantly scout and follow the birds. Its not hard to see where someone is hunting and we have seen him. He is out of control. We have only hunted twice in the last 20 days around here due to this guy. The crows have never been as educated as this year. They literally go the other way as soon as they hear the call. Only a handful of dumb crows will come in, less that 1% of them.

-- Edited by gearly65 on Thursday 2nd of February 2012 03:10:57 PM

gearly65 · Senior Member

Hi Jon, I have been hunting for over 35 years. I am usually a very good judge of character but I really screwed up this time. I have been fortunate to have never had this happen to me before. I keep a close inner cirlce of hunting and fishing buddies and thought I really could trust this guy but what a hard lesson learned.

I really thought when I expressed my feeling to him on this that it would get through to him but he is obviously too ate up by crow hunting that it means more to him that a friendship. I have some other people that will let him know how he screwed me when they see him.

-- Edited by gearly65 on Thursday 2nd of February 2012 05:38:20 PM

Lonehowl · Veteran Member

Same in any sport that has "honey holes". I think we all learn this lesson the hard way. Trying to be nice, and promote the sport, get others involved in hunting, is a double edged sword somtimes. Losing a friend over this stuff isnt really worth it in the long run, but this situation does torque me off as well.

I do a lot of predator calling and its the same thing, guys come back and pound a spot to death with thier buddies after you ask em not too, and they wont lift a finger to do the legwork and burn the gas to find new areas to hunt. At least if they returned the favor it would take the sting out of it a bit. The good thing is, once they burn out a spot, theyll probly be burned out on the endeavor anyways, and hopefully the area can recover. (Well, dont know about crows but predators will replenish an area.)

I will say that if I lived in an area where it was difficult to find land to hunt, Im not sure Id be taking to many newbies, selfish but true.

Mark

-- Edited by Lonehowl on Wednesday 1st of February 2012 04:11:03 PM

longshot · Member

I can relate with your story I had a field for hunting geese that was loaded all the time. I took a (BUDDY) out with me we slammed them. T he next season he back door ed me and got permission and started hunting the hell out of the field bringing other people and before you know it there were 3 other groups out there and the place went to hell . This was some 30 years ago and I'm still p o ed and don't hunt with him anymore .I d rather hunt alone then lose another good spot , sorry this happened to you all I can say is time will not heal all wounds.

Pickwick · Member

Life is short, call a buddy and go hunt them dumb ones before they get away

Bob · Guru

NH,

Why don't you read Gearly's post, the one where he says he knows I was just being humorous!

Bob A.

nhcrowshooter · Guru

Bob wrote:
Come on NH give me a friggin break, I thought you were smarter than that! Just for the record, it was said in jest!

Bob A.
Thanks for the kind words on my intelligence.
I do not believe a public forum is the place to suggest murder as a solution or retribution for a transgression even in jest. Again, you do not know your audience and they don't really know you.

spud76 · Veteran Member

Your ex-friend sounds like an Ars*h*le.

nhcrowshooter · Guru

Bob it's obvious you don't understand my point. Gearly's post about understanding your comment was a joke came after the fact. This is 2012, times have changed. This is the internet, it's wide open and we connect with people but we really don't know them or their situations. Suggesting murder ie, getting mad and saying "I'm going to kill someone" was standard and funny 30 years ago. Again times have changed. It's not considered humorous in many circles. Had an unstable person taken the joke as serious advice how would you feel? Would you be considered complicit? If the other party Gearly was talking about happens to read the post here and realized you were talking about him he could go to the police and say he feels threatened, would it be funny then? My point is this forum is not a private hunting lodge and it is good advice to remember that when you post.

jonthepain · Guru

Pat B wrote:
I am very fussy now who I take to my favorite spots.........

Pat

You would have thought that I had learned my lesson with losing my honey holes to taking friends fishing... but no.

Now most of my crow hunting territory has been taken over by "learners."

Worse, a few years ago I took a couple of friends with me to sight in our rifles on some gameland by my house, during the off-season.

During deer season, I was surprised to find that they were in the same spot with a whole bunch of friends shooting up some cans.

I stopped and pointed out the many reasons that they were screwing up big time. Not the least of which that there were probably hunters back in there.

They told me to shove it.

A year later those gamelands were closed by the WRC (at the request of the landowner) to target shooting year-round.

I also have permission to shoot clays on some private land near my house. I took a couple of friends with me once.

Bad Idea. duh.

Luckily in this instance when I caught them there by themselves (with a couple of THEIR friends,) they were very kind and promised that they would not be back.

That's it for this particular hunter/fisherman taking anybody but his one hunting partner or sons anywhere whatsoever.

gearly65 · Senior Member

Spud, absolutely right!!! I wouldn't have thought in a million years that this guy of all people would have done this to me.

gearly65 · Senior Member

HN, Bob knows who I am really well and knows that I'm not that kind of guy that would off someone over something like this. Really, it's Ok. He knows me.

coleridge · Member

I can understand all the following stories about guys going back to the land (exact spot or pond) after being taken & that's not cool. However, the way I read the OP the guy isn't hunting the same spots you took him (hunting a mile away), but rather is just taking up the sport. I know it's nice to be the only one that hunts a particular game (crows, water fowl & predators especially) but you can't be mad that he enjoyed shooting crows.

To me it's like taking a guy fishing. If he buys a boat & you see him on some random public lake fishing for bass next year, you really don't have much right to be mad. Now if you took him to the pond behind your house, then you see him out there with his friends later... well Bob may be more on key.

Do you get mad & stress when someone on a neighboring property kills a deer you had on trail cam also????

FFD · Member

Unfortunately for you "They are just crows"has ruined many a flyway and a few friendships as well.I have crow hunted on and off for over 30yrs,and have had this happen to me as well.Crow hunting is a very unique type of hunting,and if managed correctly can offer some of the fastest and challenging wingshooting there is.On the other hand,if done the wrong way ie:,over hunting,over hunting did I mention over hunting,can cause entire flyways to shift and educate thousands of birds to a caller,making a bad scenario for everyone.

We all educate crows to some extent when we hunt them,but by rotating areas and letting them rest between shoots helps a ton.We scout alot and I can tell by how the birds act coming out in the morning and going back to the roost,if they have been beat on too much in one area.We put a ton of miles on the pavement trying to find good areas,build anal blinds,and use the caller and mouth calls judicously, only to have some clown with a caller and 3 decoys stand in a fenceline with a lame hide,blasting away and burning thousands of crows to kill very few.

I know of very few birds due to the gregarious nature,that one or two so called "crow hunters" can cause thousands of birds to shift and abandon areas they have used for weeks and months.Everyone has a right to hunt and do how they see fit.It just sucks to put in all the miles and time to set up a good hunt,only to get cut off at the knees.

My first love has always been waterfowl hunting with my labs,but I enjoy hunting and respect crows for what they are,the most intelligent bird there is.If you have a chink in your set up,they will find it and exploit it and bring you to your knees with humility.I always judge my groundlinds when goosehunting,by the crows.If they roll over my set in good gun range,I know I'm good to go.

"They are just crows" is a term that true crow hunters never use.All you can do at this point is move on and be smarter about who you hunt with.I bet you never make this mistake again.Good luck with your hunting...........I have been lurking for some time,but this reminded me of my past mistakes and trusting people when I should not have..........

-- Edited by FFD on Thursday 2nd of February 2012 01:02:26 AM

-- Edited by FFD on Thursday 2nd of February 2012 01:34:06 AM

gearly65 · Senior Member

Col, I absolutely don't get mad when someone gets into hunting. I actually promote the sport. If I took someone hunting for anything else, I would encourage them to go AS LONG AS NOT IN MY SPOT.

Crow hunting is different than any other hunting really. I don't know how long you have been doing it but crows travel 20 plus miles a day generally. If someone hunts that flyway anywhere along there and it is the same flyway that you hunt, YOUR SCREWED. Miles away screws you in crow hunting and I didn't take him to screw things up for me. I

nhcrowshooter · Guru

Even if he as over hunted your spots remember there is always a spring and fall migration with plenty of birds new and unfamiliar to the area. Watch for it.

coleridge · Member

I have hunted for years but not may "flyways" here in central NC. 95% of our hunting is run & gun. I understand crows range (especially north of us) & some of the guys in "real" flyways get to hammer. I also know many things (such as disturnbing the roost) can change those patterns. I appreciate & understand your frustration, but as said earlier life is too short to live mad. Not much different from they guy starting to crow hunt without you... You may have cut his learning curve & he gave you a leasson about what's important to him. Lesson learned, you don't help him anymore. No help in caring a chip around though.

Pickwick · Member

Not trying to make light of the situation, it is never good when a friend comes back and hunts a spot that he was invited to without the invitee, but, he's probably not the only one screwin things up if we are talking a 20 mile travel route. If that is the case, and I claim to be no expert in crow hunting, we are all screwing up everybody else. Think about it. 20 miles is a lot of land to claim, all you can do is impose a management plan to how you hunt them personally and hope everyone else does the same.

Bob · Guru

NH,

Well then by your logic we should ban all violent movies because someone might watch and get a bright idea and go do the crime.

Pete, you are sure entitled to your opinion, I just don't agree with you on this matter.

Bob A.

gearly65 · Senior Member

Just to clear the air. I know and so does everyone else that Bob was joking. I would never harm anyone over hunting and I wouldn't be influenced by anyone to do so. My buddies and I joke with each other all the time about one of us having a hunting or fishing accident. No one means anything by it.

Bob · Guru

A big 10-4 Gearly!

Bob A.

M12Shooter · Guru

Great commentary FFD, and welcome to Crow Busters.

Ted

FFD · Member

Thanks I should climbed on long ago,this post brought back some bad memories

nhcrowshooter · Guru

Bob wrote:
NH,

Well then by your logic we should ban all violent movies because someone might watch and get a bright idea and go do the crime.

Pete, you are sure entitled to your opinion, I just don't agree with you on this matter.

Bob A.

A difference of opinion is fine. There is a lot of trash in movies society would be better off without. The difference here is when violence is depicted or the suggestion of violence is made in a movie it is not directed at a real person. Society calls it entertainment.

When individuals suggest violence against an actual person the law calls it criminal threatening and when use of a deadly weapon is included it advances to terrorizing. It can be a joke up until the point the potential target feels threatened and takes action. Whether such action on their part is successful or not I doubt such a situation is a place any of us want to be. Since this a public forum and you don't know who might be reading I believe my opinion is good advice. We all have an audience here. As I said it's 2012, we live in a different world than we grew up in regarding such matters.

I am sorry some of your hunting partners and friends have passed. That is a stage of life I am not looking forward to.

-- Edited by nhcrowshooter on Thursday 2nd of February 2012 01:01:13 PM

Bob · Guru

FFD,

Glad you came out of the shadows.

To put it another way, "if the crows get to much pressure, nobody gets nothin" this is why the old timers never mentioned where they hunted to anyone outside there inner circle.

I only have one partner still alive, he is 77 but in very good shape. My other partner (a prince of a guy) passed away almost a year and a half ago.

Having a good partner is a wonderful thing.

Well I've said my piece.

Bob A.

FFD · Member

Bob,I'm glad to be here .Should have joined long ago.These type of situations just burn me to no end.We work hard and what we do,and try do do it the right way.The E caller has both been a boon and bust for crow hunters.In the wrong hands and used incorrectly,it can change everything for the bad.I have seen it happen with snow goose hunting as well,especially with the conservation spring seasons.

Greed does strange things to people,and in the process ruins it for most everybody.The hunting morals went out the window for most of these people,some time ago.

Bob keep your stories coming,your wealth of knowledge I'm sure has shortened the learning curve for some that still try to do it the right and ethical way...............FFD

watch em fall · Senior Member

It is called courtesy, some have it but most don't. There is a major difference between a rookie learning the ropes and making the same mistakes we all did starting out, and just being a complete with no regard for anyone else. We all foul up and educate birds, but there is no reason to screw a friend over for any reason! I can't believe some can't see anything wrong with jumping a hunting spot. If someone takes you hunting and says don't come here without me or don't talk to others of our success, heed it or this is what happens, friends become enemies. I hunt with one partner or alone. If others hunt our areas, it means they scouted and found it like we did. Don't let someone else do the work then hog the rewards, well unless you are a democrat then you don't know any better!!!!

-- Edited by watch em fall on Thursday 2nd of February 2012 11:48:29 PM

Bob · Guru

Hello Pete,

Yup, it's tough loosing a good partner, it's kind of like being married. At this stage in life I tell people, "everyday above ground is a good day"

I have to run, I'm going to get my balls washed and polished (billiard balls) before company comes over on sunday. Having a big pool playing party with some of the fellas I hang with; they are bringing there wives and girl friends with them. The women can stay by the fire upstairs and let us guys do are thing. It's a great crowd, two are old snooker players and one is an old three cushion billiards player; the rest are pool players. It's kind of like getting skeet shooters, trap shooters and sporting clay shooters together.

Talk to you soon.

Bob A.

arnold c · Veteran Member

Awful lot of hate on this sight all of a sudden. Especially to new hunters, I'm sure 2yrs ago I was that guy that you "dedicated" crow hunters hated. I saw there was a crow season in my home state and decided to try it. No mentor, very little knowledge, and yes they "were just crows". Bought 4 decoys at a sport show, went out to some public land, leaned up against a tree and blew to my hearts content into my turkey locator call. Called in some high flying birds that I took some awful shots at and missed. I was hooked. Yes I educated those birds and probably a whole lot more. I was a "dedicated" crow hunter but also an uneducated crow hunter. Through this site, I have gained so much knowledge that its hard to contain it all in my head. Now the back of my truck looks like crowmart threw up in it. I scout flyways, I ask permission to hunt properties, I practice my calling & my shooting and try to do everything right. Now I understand if you go to all that work and someone is educating the birds it would be frustrating. I would be upset also, but isn't part of the allure of crow hunting to try to fool that educated bird. While I respect and appreciate all the guys on this site for their helping hands when it comes to knowledge of the birds, this is not a secret society. You should not promote the sport and post on here all the big numbers and how much fun it is if you if you are worried about a newbie screwing up your hunt. I guess what I am trying to say is keep it fun, don't be greedy and keep your expectations real. Very few people will ever shoot as many crows in their lifetime as Bob A. does in a year. If you think someone is screwing something up for you tell them about the site and take them out on a hunt. All crow hunters are "dedicated", they just might not be "educated".

Pickwick · Member

Well said friend!

Bob · Guru

Hello Arnold,

In my opinion the only thing these guys hate is competition in there area. The more the competition the more the crows get spooked. The problem with competition (and everyone has a right to be out there) is that the birds get no rest. For example: say gearly goes out and has a good shoot on saturday, he waits two weeks before going back there again. When he gets to his spot the birds don't respond because someone else was calling them several days "before" gearly got back to his hunting spot. Now this is with only one other crow hunter in your area, if there are several and they are all competing for the same crows you can see that it does not take very long before your just spinning your wheeles when you go.

I never met a crow hunter yet that didn't like volume shooting, thats why they hunt crows. If they have had an area all to themselves it rubs them wrong when there numbers go way down. It would bother me too, infact I have lost many areas over the years do to over hunting the area. I just have to find new areas that nobody hunts, the reason for this is that when I leave and come back 3 to 4 weeks later I know the birds have had ample time to rest and draw new birds into the area. If another crow hunter is hunting them on a fairly regular basis before I get back I can tell right away by the way the crows respond to the call.

"Don't be greedy" Arnold, man is greedy by nature and crow hunters are the greediest of the lot because they want to get the best shooting possible.

So to sum up here, I don't believe there is any hate here at all, it's more a matter of self preservation the way I look at it.

Hope to talk to you again soon Arnold.

Bob A.

Pat B · Senior Member

Competition in the same general area I can deal with . I do with ducks, geese, deer and coyotes. I also have to deal with it for crows....but some dude I invited on a hunt one day and two days later I find him in my blind, that I built, on private land, that he did not get permission to be on......that BURNS me !!!

Just saying

Pat

FFD · Member

Arnold,I don't dislike other crow hunters per say,but hunters like the following guy I do have a problem with.When you stand in a fenceline in plain view,because you are to lazy to build a blind or at least make a attempt at it.Then you wind up the caller as loud as it will go,skybust because the birds will not work to the set,because they see you sticking out like a turd in a punch bowl.He thinks the caller will overcome his own laziness,but in reality he has burnt alot of birds to kill very few.Crows are fast learners especially to negative outcomes as you know.They learn to associate human in plain site,caller and gunfire to be very negative to say the least.

In the process he has pushed birds out of the area by his actions that continue.He knows better,it has been explained to him and his buddy,he flat could care less.All he wants to do is shoot his gun.Am I taking this guy hunting? I think not.Anything I show him he will use against me down the road.Not gonna happen,been to that rodeo before.Sometimes you just can't fix stupid no matter what you try to do.We all educate crows when we hunt them to a certain extent,but there are things you can do to as a crow hunter to lessen the blow,and keep them in the area for possible future hunts.

jonthepain · Guru

Bob wrote:

So to sum up here, I don't believe there is any hate here at all, it's more a matter of self preservation the way I look at it.

Hear hear.

There's a local guy that just got into crow hunting a couple of years ago, and he and his son have been out educating the crows that I used to hunt once a year.

I purposefully leave these crows alone for so long because I have several great spots close to home that I have hunted with my boys before they grew up and moved out, and with my dog before she got too old to get around.

Green birds are just awesome in my book.

Unfortunately, Mr. Educator does not have that once a year ethic.

I'm hoping he gives up soon.

chip · Guru

I would bet my MAXUS that one of the guy's on this thread voted for OBAMA biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

Mainehunt · Guru

chip wrote:
I would bet my MAXUS that one of the guy's on this thread voted for OBAMA

I am shocked Chip, of all people to use fowl language on here............ I just can't believe that you used the "O" word.

biggrin biggrin LOL!

Kev

ddworkm · Newbie

I'm not sure where to start on this subject but I will say that I know the most inconsiderate irresponsible unfriendly hunter in the world as gearly65 likes to refer to him. I think if the story had been portrayed correctly on here then the responses would be different. When he talks about his HONEY HOLE he forgets to mention that its 100yds (max) behind the incosiderate hunters house. He also fails to mention this area is near the county dump that is covered with crows and will always be covered with crows. And in an area Ive personally hunted and if you stop and ask any landowner they will gladly give you permission. Oh shoot i metioned that i hunted the area before so I am sorry for Educating your birds too gearly65. At the end of the day hunters need to spend less time being selfish and complaining about what the other guy is doing and worry more about groups like PETA who are trying every single day to put an end to any and all hunting. To all others who like to get on here and jump on a bandwagon and start bashing a guy remeber that there is TWO sides to every story.

-- Edited by ddworkm on Sunday 12th of February 2012 01:37:57 PM

gearly65 · Senior Member

Absolutely, That is the most basic common courtesy in hunting. I don't see why it is hard for somone to understand that.

-- Edited by gearly65 on Sunday 12th of February 2012 05:20:41 PM

gearly65 · Senior Member

Whoever you are, the story I gave is the EXACT CORRECT STORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bob · Guru

DD,

Indeed there is always two sides to every story. Gearly flat screwed up is all, he would have been much better off hunting in a differen't spot around that dump well away from that guys house. When he showed the guy how to go about doing it he left himself wide open for a good screwing. If he had not showed the guy anything at all and didn't hunt behind this guys house he would be much further ahead right now.

I know Gearly mentioned that the flyway went right through this guys property. If Gearly was smart he would have shot the same crows further up the line on the same flyway, "but not on this fellas property" this way he wouldn't have created the problem he now has.

I see the word "selfish" being used a lot in regard to this subject. It's no more selfish than a fisherman not wanting anyone to know where his best spots are.

I will take a guy pigeon shooting with me but not for crows! The reason is because crows are far smarter than pigeons and waterfowl and will not take the pressure that other birds endure during the season. Now everyone has a right to be out there, don't get me wrong. If a fella is going to be serious about hunting crows then he best try and find areas where there is no competition, this way when he lets an area rest for several weeks or more he knows when he goes back the birds will respond very well once again. Is this being selfish? In my opinion I don't believe so, it's just good judgement so one can get the best shooting possible.

Bob A.

8fishermen · Guru

Bob,

There is a lot of hard knock's wisdom in your last post. One would be wise to read that a couple of times and ponder it a while. I know I will read it again.

gearly65 · Senior Member

Bob is absolutely right. I just want everyone to know that DD is very misinformed. I never hunted behind that guys house and the spot I took him to wasn't near his house either.