Crow Busters Forum

M12Shooter wrote:

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I got to get me some of those "military grade" weapons for crow killing

 

Ted

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LOL!  exactly..............

Kev

Hey they are also in trouble for name stealing!!  CROWBUSTERS  where do they get off callin them selves that!!

nhcrowshooter wrote:

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Too bad the German do-gooders; Johann Beuke,  Friends of the Earth Germany (BUND),  Nature and Biodiversity Conservation Union (NABU), weren't around to be as concerned and stop 11 million innocent civilians from being shot, gassed and starved to death in the 1940's.

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 Sorry, but this reference to the holocaust is just distateful.

Stunner696 wrote:

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In reading that article killing 300+ in a day is a massacre but that 'scientist' slaughtered 12,000 just to do a study and not a word is said about that! Typical activist's!

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 The scientists did not "slaughter" crows but trapped and then euthanized them. This provoked heavy resistance from animal rights activists and led to the experiment being aborted.

as to the number of 300+ crows in a day - hunting two mornings and one evening in a large area with 15-20 blinds and decoy spreads, 300+ plus crows is not that much actually. 

november,

Do'nt come on here and bash America.

your mom, That's what she, has down for her name, check it out.

Admin, why don't you pull the plug on this one.

november wrote:

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nhcrowshooter wrote:

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Propaganda, the germans have some experience with that don't they.

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Ignorance, the Americans have some experience with that, don't they?

 

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 november, you're missing the point............still

NGillespie10 wrote:

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Can't we all just...get along?

But seriously, I think there is a miscommunication issue going on here. We're all on the same side here people, regardless of nationality.

Need to start handing out prescriptions for Crowzac.

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 Exactly, hard to tell if someone is trying to be funny, being sarcastic, etc.... when typing.

Kev

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Mainehunt wrote:

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 November, we are on your side of this issue, not the anti-hunters.

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Kev, I understood that ;) thanks. was just trying to clarify a few things

november wrote:

 This article is full of - excusez moi- bull****. it is compiled from lies anti hunting activists fed to the Spiegel-magazine. they did get pretty much everything wrong and out of context but I guess this is just how propaganda works.

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nhcrowshooter wrote:

Propaganda, the germans have some experience with that don't they.

meaning

nhcrowshooter wrote:

My orginal point is that no German conservation group or media outlet who take an anti-hunting stance public can stake a claim to the moral high ground with an opinion against the killing of crows or anything else.

but it was taken as a slight on the country, and this was posted.

november wrote:

Ignorance, the Americans have some experience with that, don't they?

Mainehunt wrote:

 November, we are on your side of this issue, not the anti-hunters.

Kev

Now that we should all be on the same page, let us know if there is anything that we as Americans, or Brits, or whatever else we call ourselves can do to help the Germans kill more crows in peace.

nhcrowshooter wrote:

1) November, the holocaust is relevent in this case for a couple of reasons first it removed Germany from having a world voice in human and animal rights post world war 2. Second it leaves the activities vulnerable to a smear campaign by those who oppose them within their country. Germany remains hyper sensitive to the term and idea of Nazi's. There have long been reports of German Neo-Nazi groups. What would woud happen if the anti-hunting forces claim the German Crowbusters is nothing more than a recreational outlet for Neo-Nazis? The Speigel article all but alluded to that with the camo clothed faces blurred picture,the reference to military weapons and coordinated attacks via crow ping pong.

2) If you want to help crowhunters everywhere, remember to keep a low profile with the general public. When the average person hears the large numbers of birds killed they know are not consumed as food they question the activity as needless slaughter. 

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 ad1) sorry, but i still can't understand how the holocaust denies EVERY German the right to criticism in moral or ethical questions. I'd even say that the holocaust and the knowledge about it is reason for people being even more aware about these questions.

I am willing to discuss this seriously and I joined this discussion because it does help to broaden ones horizon by looking at other opinions, especially from other countries. But the instant "oh germany.. right.. holocaust!" reflex is pretty much the point at which you - sorry to say this - disqualify yourself as a partner in a discussion.

ad2) what did not really come across in the Spiegel-article is the motivation behind this. We don't just bust some crows for the heck of it, we actually struggle to keep crow population adapted to the habitat's ressources as they are an enormous factor when it comes to predation. the damage caused by crows in the agricultural sector is another reason. in the past years, "the public" was full of positive reactions, especially in rural areas. 

I'm just gonna copy&paste my response I sent to the author of this article: http://westernfarmpress.com/blog/crow-ping-pong-and-hunt-glory

"Dear Sir,

Your first question, though rhethorical I guess, was who would invent "a game called crow ping-pong anyhow" - as a matter of fact, I did. The only thing is, it is not a game but a name for a hunting tactic which I am gladly going to explain to you. 

With the rising numbers in crow (corvus corone) population and the increasing damage not only to farm crops and fodder silos but also to the wildlife, especially to ground nesting birds and small animals such as hare or rabbit arose the need for a way to deal with this. Based on several studies, culling is the only means of effectively keeping crow population adapted to the habitat. 

As crows are rather smart animals, hunting crows needs a bit more sophistication and tactics. This includes decoys, camo clothing and a blind to hunt from. Back in 2010 a group of crow hunters from all over Germany who had been in contact over the past five years discussing crowhunting and new equipment and tactics met in Bavaria. The idea was to give local hunters the theoretical background for crow hunting and then hunt together with them, providing an insight into practical crow hunting. During this hunt, we also placed two decoy spreads roughly one mile apart in order to see if a group of crows that had been shot at, at the first decoy spread would still fly to the next decoy spread. To confirm this, we were in contact via cell phone and were happy as it worked out. This "new method" was dubbed "Krähen Ping Pong," translated crow ping-pong, as we needed a neologism for this and ping-pong appeared pretty accurate to the effect.

Did we drive one thousand miles to "kill some crows?" Not at all. We drove pretty far to meet other crow hunters, to exchange experience and to teach unexperienced hunters interested in crow hunting as we believe this is the way it should be, each one teach one. You make "zealotry" sound as if it was a bad thing, which it is not in my book. Zealotry and idealism is what keeps hunting, what keeps environmental intiatives, nature conservation alive. You have a prime example of this in the US, Ducks Unlimited! 

What I find striking is that you would "grab a shotgun and take your turn" hunting crows, not without a certain pride stating that you are just blazing away at doves, being a miserable shot. This is pretty much the kind of hunter no German crow hunter would want to be associated with - just in it for the fun. In this context, I can not quite make out what the point is you are trying to make with your article, on the one hand you do acknowledge the need for crow hunting but then again criticise crow hunting? 

As to the "dress in military fatigues, shoot with semi-automatic rifles, wear face masks" part, I reckon you have seen people duck hunting and their clothing and guns? You do the math.

It appears to me, the only word that is accurate in your article is, let me cite this: "dunno." I am truly sorry to tell you this but your article is founded only on the Spiegel article which in turn is as a matter of fact compiled of material provided by various anti-hunting-initiatives. "

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Just to give an example of how this usually works: last weekend we were invited by a group of hunters to show them how to hunt crows, local media was there too, outcome was positive:

http://www.wa.de/nachrichten/kreis-coesfeld/muensterland/jaeger-bringen-experten-kraehen-strecke-1589302.html

My nation of America is woven around myths and legends  and political garbage and it will take generations to clean up...in example they believe if you take away everyones' guns  you will have no more crime...gun "buy back' programs(just who sold the fire arms anyways? The police department?!?!) where the sellers sell old rusted out junky worthless firearms and old  useless BB guns  to get a buck for them while the violent criminal organizations keep theirs they bought off a boat from China  or anywhere on the black market....no law has stopped any criminal..in fact the outrages are getting worst and more daring!

 Despite Englands' strict gun laws  the gunless police are  getting gunned down...really 'smart" now the Parliament and all that now eh? By comparison Switzerland is very very safe!