The roar of hundreds of thousands of crow wings surge overhead in the plains some wheres whose voices are hardly drowned out by approaching oxygen laden special crow hunter revival ambulances come to revive the double barreled fans with their blue worn off cracked stock old antiquated 1920s' shotguns....now how did they collapse all out of breath? Because after a fashion loading and unloading the doubles is like the old wells pumping water by hand....meanwhile their cases of shells sit unopened; their coffee getting cold as the double barreled rusty shot gun fan lay gasping blue faced for oxygen....way too many crows to be attempting a good shoot with the need to be retired over the fire place old doubles..... too heavy and long worn out bluing....behind the times and nothing more than memories of a bygone era. But I know what you double fans will do. Come up to modern times and use a pump or semi and really get in on the action... Time to retire the old ancient boat anchors...
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We get it, you don't like SxS's for huntin but a few on here enjoy them. So sit back with a cup of coffee and enjoy their exploits. They have a great time and kill a lot of crows and share these hunts with us. Finding the type huntin that brings the most enjoyment to you is what it's about and for sure these Gentlemen have.
Thanks Butch, no worries, attempting to explain the virtues and appeal of classic double guns to people of limited experience and closed minds is like trying to explain Mozart to a deaf man.
-- Edited by nhcrowshooter on Sunday 6th of March 2016 01:12:19 PM
Thanks Butch, no worries, attempting to explaining the virtues and appeal of classic double guns to people of limited experienceand closed minds is like trying to explain Mozart to a deaf man.
Thanks Butch, no worries, attempting to explain the virtues and appeal of classic double guns to people of limited experience and closed minds is like trying to explain Mozart to a deaf man.
-- Edited by nhcrowshooter on Sunday 6th of March 2016 01:12:19 PM
Where can I get one of those old "swirley-barrelled" 10 ga. doubles?
(edit) On second thought, after looking at all the prices on those old girls on various auction/sales sites, it seems a bit spensive' to get into that aspect of the game. Wow!
-- Edited by Old Artilleryman on Sunday 6th of March 2016 09:16:36 PM
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We all have our own style of crow hunting. I myself enjoy using vintage pumps as in the Model 12 Winchester. I could probably shoot many more crows with a modern auto but I just like old pumps. Probably because thats what I learned to shoot and I shoot them well!
Ted
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This is just my opinion but I feel that a good pump gun man is at no disadvantage with another shooter using a semi auto shotgun. So long as the pump gun man does not short stroke the pump gun.
The only edge a guy might have over a pump would be on very high volume shoots where you might shoot a thousand rounds or more during the day. If a guy had a good gas auto it would help where the shooter would not absorb as much felt recoil.
True Bob but autos have a bit of an edge. Less movement in the blind etc... and when one shoots in a layout or semi-fowlers position. But, I never could shoot worth a darn in that position regardless of which shooting iron I was using!
Ted
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I never would shoot in a layout blind because you are to restricted. In that situation I would have to agree with you Ted about favoring a semi auto over a pump gun. But in any other hunting situation the old hand with a pump gun be it model 12 Winchester or model 31 Remington( those pumped as slick as a model 12. ) he would be at no disadvantage.
Ted do you have a gunsmith in your area to make sure your model 12 stays in good shape? Have you had to replace a chamber ring yet, I would be surprised if you had not changed one by now in at least one of your model 12's. How are your cartridge stops holding up? Do you have a headspace gauge so you can check your model 12's?
You'll get really deaf using those old double barreled double troubles.
You can always recognize a sxs man as he'll stagger out of his vehicle for breakfast with his arm in a sling, a broken jaw and busted nose from the recoil of the anti aircraft shotguns trying to keep up with the volume of crows. Note how heavy he will be breathing resembling a smoke stack with all the steam coming out his nose and ears and gasping for breath...he will sit down in front of the waitress with a very raspy voice trying to order breakfast, but way too winded to get the words out just yet...
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I love my pump guns. I keep two in the blind with me at all times. Mossberg 835 with a full choke (holds 6 rounds) and a Remington 870 with a modified choke (holds 5 rounds). Love the full choke for those high flying fish crows floating around. LOL
And I will admit I shoot more shells than I should. I just can't help myself on those high birds. I will never have a high % shoot simply because I love to smell that powder.
-- Edited by Elkhunter on Tuesday 8th of March 2016 03:59:13 PM
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I never would shoot in a layout blind because you are to restricted. In that situation I would have to agree with you Ted about favoring a semi auto over a pump gun. But in any other hunting situation the old hand with a pump gun be it model 12 Winchester or model 31 Remington( those pumped as slick as a model 12. ) he would be at no disadvantage.
Ted do you have a gunsmith in your area to make sure your model 12 stays in good shape? Have you had to replace a chamber ring yet, I would be surprised if you had not changed one by now in at least one of your model 12's. How are your cartridge stops holding up? Do you have a headspace gauge so you can check your model 12's?
Bob, I have a friend that is very mechanical. He has been maintaining my five M12's for years. Not a heck of a lot of maintenance other than a firing pin once...albeit the shotgun continued to fire with a broken pin. Chamber ring replaced with a #2 on one of them as well. If one minimizes the take down's, ie: removing and barrel mag from receiver, play at that point will be little. A good cleaning once a year for a higher volume shooter M12 is really all that I do on a regular basis.
I shot a pair of model 12 20 gauges for about 16 years on crows. About every two to three seasons I would need a new chamber ring in one or the other. I always kept an eye on the breach bolt not beating out the inside of the receiver. My opinion is that the model 12 Winchester is perhaps the best balanced pump gun ever made!
Shoot what you like. Why worry about what some one else shoots. I don't like sxs shotguns either but I'm glad some people do. I do like o/u shotguns but I don't like them in the confines of a blind as they are harder to deal with than a sxs. I have a soft spot for the M1 benelli for several reasons just as everybody else has one for a sxs or a model 12 winchester or what ever. I think it's cool that people find what they like and enjoy using it. Just like old bird hunters of the Appalachians used Franchi 48s for ruffed grouse, BB King used a hollow body gibson, Randy Rhodes used a gibson LesPaul a lot and fisherman on the great Lakes TROLL with Daredevil spoons for salmon where as southern folks PULL crankbaits for crappie. Who gives a flip what someone else uses or what they use it for? Not me. Plus a lot of what people do is out of sentimental reasons. Chocolate vs vanilla...
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