have a guy on facebook claiming his buddy shot 450 crows by himself between sunrise and sunset... 250 i could buy....but 450....sounds like bs to me...what do you guys think
450 crows? Does he understand what 450 shells fired feel like? IF its possible I believe that would be one sore cheek and shoulder with a Chiropractor appt. in works.
450 crows? Does he understand what 450 shells fired feel like? IF its possible I believe that would be one sore cheek and shoulder with a Chiropractor appt. in works.
also seems funny...there is no photo proof....if i shot 450 crows i know id have a heck of a pile shot...
450 crows? Does he understand what 450 shells fired feel like? IF its possible I believe that would be one sore cheek and shoulder with a Chiropractor appt. in works.
Shooting 450 shells in a day is not that big a deal with target loads. A regular Sunday ATA trapshoot is 300 targets, throw in 2 or 3 practice rounds and a shootoff and your just about there.
have a guy on facebook claiming his buddy shot 450 crows by himself between sunrise and sunset... 250 i could buy....but 450....sounds like bs to me...what do you guys think
George Digby?
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When you you are using the proper gun and loads, high volume shooting is not a problem. Practicing for sporting clays, I've shot 825 targets in a day. In Argentina I stopped at 875 doves only because I got bored (my son shot 1,240 on the same day).
Shooting an ill-fitting gun and/or 1 1/4 oz. loads, I would struggle to shoot 50 shells!
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When you you are using the proper gun and loads, high volume shooting is not a problem. Practicing for sporting clays, I've shot 825 targets in a day. In Argentina I stopped at 875 doves only because I got bored (my son shot 1,240 on the same day).
Shooting an ill-fitting gun and/or 1 1/4 oz. loads, I would struggle to shoot 50 shells!
Demi
Oops!. Brain Cramp (I knew that--hate that when memory fails--what were we talking about?).
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I know Digweed (not personally) and trust me, he really is capable of doing that! He's worldchampion clayshooting...
So I would says it is plausible...
have a guy on facebook claiming his buddy shot 450 crows by himself between sunrise and sunset... 250 i could buy....but 450....sounds like bs to me...what do you guys think
Why would a feat as this not be possible? If one had the ammo and all the planets lined up surely shooting 4 or 500 crows could be accomplished. Up here in my theatre of operation, during fall gatherings, it is nothing to see 5000 crows feeding in one area. Problem lies here with these fall congregations travelling en masse... Good shooting can had but soon the whole gang is on to the gig and move on. I have been plagued by this dilemma all of my crow shooting career
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In 2010 I had two solo days back to back where I shot over 500 crows each day. That same season I had two of the largest solo days of my life. One day was 711 crows, I shot 568 in the morning up until 1:00 p.m. then an additional 143 that afternoon from 3:00 p.m. to 6:00 pm. The next day I shot 834 crows in one spot all day long, used 1150 12 gauge trap loads. These are very rare occasions during ones lifetime!
Here is a photo taken in 2000 where I shot 506 crows with a 20 gauge Remington 870 Wing Master using a 7/8th ounce load of number 8's. I went back the next day to pick up the crows and set up this photo with my 35mm Olympus on a tri pod. There are 386 in the photo, the coyotes ate over a hundred of them just over night.
Google bob aronsohn and if you scroll through the film clips there is one set to music where I shot 447 crows on a morning crow hunt in a soybean field.
Bayman, I just looked it up on google, look for the series # 12 film clip that has some really good stuff to watch. That is the one in the soybean field.
I dug this photo up from the 834 bird day, there are 46 empty boxes of trap loads piled up in my blind in this photo.
In 1982 when Boyd and I were in our prime we both shot 859 crows all day long from one spot. I shot 392 and Boyd shot 467 that day; we both were using 20 gauge model 12 Winchesters bored full choke. I was 34 and Boyd was 55 years old at that time.
This photo was taken in the mid 1990's and the very first shoot in this guys pecan orchard (in 1991) I shot 526 crows from 7:45 a.m. to 1:45 p.m. in the afternoon. I did not start to carry a camera with me on a regular basis until the mid 1990's. I used a 20 gauge 870 Wing Master with a 7/8th ounce load of # 8 shot in 1991 and the photo you see I was using a 12 gauge Remington Wing Master with a trap load of 7 1/2's.
The orchard owner was so pleased he insisted I go get my gear out of the motel and stay with him at his house to save me expenses. He had great New Years Eve party's at his place, all the farmers, ranchers and pecan orchard men were there. I made some wonderful contacts at those get togethers over the years.
This photo was taken in the mid 1990's and the very first shoot in this guys pecan orchard (in 1991) I shot 526 crows from 7:45 a.m. to 1:45 p.m. in the afternoon. I did not start to carry a camera with me on a regular basis until the mid 1990's. I used a 20 gauge 870 Wing Master with a 7/8th ounce load of # 8 shot in 1991 and the photo you see I was using a 12 gauge Remington Wing Master with a trap load of 7 1/2's.
The orchard owner was so pleased he insisted I go get my gear out of the motel and stay with him at his house to save me expenses. He had great New Years Eve party's at his place, all the farmers, ranchers and pecan orchard men were there. I made some wonderful contacts at those get togethers over the years.
Looks like a couple of nice pieces of wood on that 870.
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I had Reinhart Fajen in Missouri restock both my 20 gauge and 12 gauge 870's. The one in the photo has French Walnut and the 20 gauge has English Walnut wood. Here is a photo of the 20 gauge with English Walnut.
I normally shoot a full choke in 20 gauge. About 35 years ago I shot a pair of model 12 20 gauges one was full choke, the other was a modified choke. Both had Simmons vent ribs and I had many good memories with those guns. I still have my 20 gauge model 12 pigeon grade bored WS-1 that I also shot some crows with but not many. I mainly used it as a clay bird gun and a quail gun.
So are you seeing many migrant crows yet? The only problem with the spring migration is that many of those birds know the score from being shot at for almost six months already. There are others in that migration that probably have never heard an e-caller yet!
I checked out a new area a few days ago that was 200 miles from home. It was a total dud, but on most of these exploratory missions you have to aim low to avoid disappointment! Once in a great while you find a really good area where nobody else hunts them except you, that is what keeps a guy going.
I normally shoot a full choke in 20 gauge. About 35 years ago I shot a pair of model 12 20 gauges one was full choke, the other was a modified choke. Both had Simmons vent ribs and I had many good memories with those guns. I still have my 20 gauge model 12 pigeon grade bored WS-1 that I also shot some crows with but not many. I mainly used it as a clay bird gun and a quail gun.
So are you seeing many migrant crows yet? The only problem with the spring migration is that many of those birds know the score from being shot at for almost six months already. There are others in that migration that probably have never heard an e-caller yet!
I checked out a new area a few days ago that was 200 miles from home. It was a total dud, but on most of these exploratory missions you have to aim low to avoid disappointment! Once in a great while you find a really good area where nobody else hunts them except you, that is what keeps a guy going.
Bob,
I shoot f/f in my 20 ga too, Not much moving here as of yet. Last sat we saw a few moving north after 11:00 am , Should get better soon!
I hope you and Pete do well during you're spring migration.
My old pal Boyd was a gunsmith and one day he says" Bob take this 20 gauge Browning Lightning out and test fire it on crows for me" it was also bored F/F and was that ever a crow buster!
You can be the best crow hunter in the world but if you are not in a crow rich area then you are only going to do as well as that area will permit. I am always on the look out for new un tapped area. I just got back two days ago from an area 200 miles from home that turned out to be a dud. If there are not enough birds to make it worth your while then it is best to cut your losses and don't even try to break in an area like that.
You can be the best crow hunter in the world but if you are not in a crow rich area then you are only going to do as well as that area will permit. I am always on the look out for new untapped area. I just got back two days ago from an area 200 miles from home that turned out to be a dud. If there are not enough birds to make it worth your while then it is best to cut your losses and don't even try to break in an area like that.
More wisdomfrom BobA.
Just whining, but that's how life (and crow deaths) are around here. Otherwise, life is good.
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Exactly! I killed 15 the other morning and thought I was doing fairly well until I saw some of the numbers being posted here! Some of y'all have really got the crows! I don't believe that I could kill 450 crows by myself if I had permission to hunt my whole county. And it surly wouldn't happen in one day!
The first action photo was taken in Argentina, if you look closely you can see where the bird got smoked just to the right of my Alpine Hat. Faster than you can blink your eyes look at how far that dead dove had traveled on his way earthward. The second photo was also in Argentina.
Photo # 3 is of White Winged Doves in Mexico.
Photo # 4 is of Eared Doves in Colombia South America.
Yep. For instance the west and north of Ireland, Northern Ireland, and the UK mainland has far more crows than pigeon, whereas go East and south and it's far more pigeon than crow.
but I've shot well over 500 on a day between myself and a mate, one day we even shot close on 900. I had to go and get fresh slabs of cartridges 3 times at the gunship, and the barrels were roasting, we went through almost 1250 cartridges on thag day.
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Motel we were both using semi autos, I doubt we would have done it with sbs or ou guns, and even with the Beretta 3 recoil dampening systems, we couldn't shoot again for days we were that sore
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BOB, IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE to bring in your own firearms but would need licences in every part of the UK you were travelling through, also if say you flew into Dublin, then drI've in a hire car a Ross the border, you would need a licence from both north and south Ireland.
Fly into London then onto Belfast requires a licence in England, and one in Ireland. More than 3 shots in a semi auto or pump are not allowed for shotguns.
No semi auto rifles are allowed, bolt action or lever action only. In England no pistols or revolvers at all, not even 22lr
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It sounds to me like it would be much easier to just use a shotgun from the area I am hunting in and leave mine at home to avoid all the red tape. Will they let you do that in Ireland, borrow a shotgun to use if you are hunting with the owner of that firearm?
People in the states don't realize how free we are in this country with firearms. When I used to travel to other countries to hunt both big and small game all arrangements were made in advance by the travel agent. All permits and serial numbers on the firearms so there was no problem as long as your paperwork was in order. I never had a problem. Now Dick my hunting partner once had his firearms stolen at the airport in Brazil many years ago!
Bob, yes, that should be possible, juSt apply for a temporary firearms cert for 12 gauge or 20 gauge or both, and then you can theoretically use one under the owners supervision
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Here is an afternoon flyway shoot where Dick & I shot 580 crows in a little over 3 hours. Would have shot more if I was not taking action photos and spooking some of the birds.
There is a vast difference in how you shoot crows in the USA, and how we shoot them in the UK and Ireland and maybe Europe too in some countries.
We use masses of decoys generally, myself when I go out, I have a netting hide or a one man pop um hide, then 40-50 static plastic decoys, a further two decoy floaters, 1 whirly/magnet with two plastic decoys and neoprene wings on it, and a lofted decoy or two, and a short distance to one side, about the same in pigeon too.
As the shooting progresses, I add dead birds to the pattern, also adding two whirly magnets with two dead birds on each, five floaters with dead birds on, and 3 flappers with dead birds on
that's how we this side of the pond get large amounts of crow. Add that all together with some calling, and they just keep coming in despite the shooting
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Both methods have there advantages and disadvantages.
In the UK, Ireland and Scotland you can not use electronic crow calls whereas in the USA you can. Now if a fella is good with a hand call and that is allowed by law in Europe then this would be a big plus even if electronic callers were illegal. The UK, Ireland and Scotland have much more red tape to go through in order to even hunt in those country's. Such as leasing certain fields and that is the only area you are allowed to hunt in. Plus other laws (from what I hear) where you have to have your firearm in your possession at all times even if you go outside your hide to take a damn leak! All the gun permits you need and paperwork you must have either on your person or in the lorry in the glove box. But in a way this is an advantage because only the most diehard shooters would go through all that red tape and trouble which means you have much less competition than us Yanks across the pond. There is also a vast difference in the size of the farms in the USA compared to Europe in general. Where you gents hunt the birds are more concentrated because there are only certain areas they can feed in. In the USA you have some farmers that have many thousands of acres cultivated and the birds can feed anywhere. If you shoot at them in one field they just move over to the next mile and you are done here in the states if you just had to rely on decoys alone.
We have much more freedom in the USA. I hunt in some states where I have whole counties in which to hunt in and all you have to do is just ask permission.
Many years ago I used to hunt like you do now very late in the season when the birds were all call shy and would not respond to a crow call of any kind. You got to shoot some very leery birds that way but the shooting was very slow by comparison to calling them in.
Red, this will give you an Idea of how vast the territory is that I hunt in. You can see for miles to the horizon, that is why I use an e-caller because you can call many birds that other wise would not give you a second look.