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 Anybody know anything about or use these? I like Federal 1 1/8oz loads for my sweet sixteen. I just don't like the price, and am looking for something cheaper but don't want crap ammo either. I know I may not need the 1 1/8oz loads, but for the 16ga that's my choice to get the 1295-1300fps that I want. The 1oz loads are cheaper but run 1165 as a rule. I've heard the Estates were made by Federal but don't know that to be a fact.
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Yote: I have shot tons of Fiocchi White Rhino ammo..  it is among the best one can buy in my estimation. I stopped using it when it became hard to find in my area. I switched to Nitros..  Estate is decent ammo, not quite to the level of top loads, but somewhat cheaper around here.

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I'm just looking for a crow load with a little speed, around the 1300fps range. I saw where Fiocchi had a 1oz load listed at 1300. In 7 1/2s that should do, shouldn't it? I appreciate the info man.
I.ve shot some Estate steel 12ga several years ago duck hunting but never any lead. Around here you never see any Fiocchi ammo of any gauge.

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 Humm i belive i reload the 16ga. But as far as speed is i slow it down :)biggrin

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I have used estate 12 gauge shells,bothhigh and lowbrass,and they were adequate. Walmart has 16 gauge remington game loads in 6,7.5and 8's 1 ounce. They are around 6 bucks a box, but I don't know anything about them. All I can suggest is if you can find them, give them a trywink.

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Why the speed?? I reload at maybe 1100 fps at the max.great patterns,falling crows.smile

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OK, maybe I don't need that much speed. I've learned to get away from he large shot, 4s and 6s and shoot 7 1/2s at the crows. Before listening to you guys, I thought it took big shot to kill a crow.
I've always liked 7 1/2s as an all around size for doves, rabbits and skwerls, I didn't realize it had enough power to knock down a crow. I've never liked 8s even for doves.
Our Wally World only has #6s in 16ga. And four whole boxes to boot, after I bought one a while back. $6.99 after tax. Our Wally is a pithy excuse for a store.
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Try talking to someome at a small so called ma and pa gunshop and see if they can order 16's for you. If you find the right shop and buy several boxes or cases I'm sure they would give a price break. And yes counting on Wally World can sometimes be a disapointment.censored.gif. And yes 7.5's and 8's will kill crows all day long!!! They are as fragile as doves, if they don't fall,and are in range{10-45}yards you missed.

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yotehunter57 wrote:

 Anybody know anything about or use these? I like Federal 1 1/8oz loads for my sweet sixteen. I just don't like the price, and am looking for something cheaper but don't want crap ammo either. I know I may not need the 1 1/8oz loads, but for the 16ga that's my choice to get the 1295-1300fps that I want. The 1oz loads are cheaper but run 1165 as a rule. I've heard the Estates were made by Federal but don't know that to be a fact.
 Thanks for any help.

 Shayne


Shayne, IMO there is very little quality 16 gauge ammo available these days. 1 1/8 th oz. 16 ga. loads are priced much higher than premium 12 ga. trap loads. Therefore I see little advantage in using a 16 other than for nostalgic reasons...and I have shot thousands of crows with 16's so don't get me wrong here!

Years ago when Winchester manufactured 16 ga. compression formed cases I would load these with 1 ounce of 8 or 8 1/2 magnum shot at a velocity around 1200 fps.

I used to crush crows with this combo. Sadly Winchester discontinued this line of ammo and went to a "Eurotrash" type case. Federal/Estate cases are not much better and the black Remington hulls are unobtainable in my area. Hence I've stopped loading this gauge.

I still shoot my 16's on occation with factory 1 oz. 1165fps field loads. These are effective to about 40 yards max with 7 1/2 or 8's, if it aint too windy. Priced at 6.99 a box...which is slighty more than I pay for inexpensive 12 gauge trap loads that are capable of killing crows stone dead out to 50 plus yardsbiggrin

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Watch em, I've got a couple of friends who have a gun/pawn shop who give me pretty good deals on every thing I buy. I'll get with them and see what thy can do on ordering some shells.
M12, I've got a 12ga(please don't make fun of me) A mossy 835 that is a super turkey gun, but sucks for wing shooting. It doesn't handle worth a darn on moving targets. I know it's all in my head, and trust me there ain't much in there, but the sweet sixteen fits me and is easy to hit with.
Also, there's not that many crows around here, so at my age it's probably cheaper to buy ammo than a new gun.
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Yotehunter, if I was in your position I would pay the extra cash for premium 1 1/8th ounce 16 ammo and shoot your sixteen! As you had stated high volume shoots are not common in your region so the few extra dollars for quality ammo might be worth it in the long run. Is your 16 an A5?

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OK Ted, I'm thinking it is. It looks like all the A5s I've ever seen. My grandfather bought it new in 1967. It is Belgium made and says **SPECIAL STEEL-16 GAUGE-SHELLS 2 3/4 on the right side of the barrel. It says SWEET SIXTEEN on the left side of the reciever.
Do they actually say " A5 " any where???

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A Mossberg 835 is a fine gun, but compaired to a lighter smaller frame gun big change. It would take a lot of rounds to get as comfortable with it as your 16, if you even wanted to try. So save all the trouble and shoot your 16.  I don't buy cases of ammo(too much$ all at once). In the off season, through out the year ,I buy 1,2, or 3 boxes everytime I can. Yes I know this costs more per box, but it is easier to spend 90$ over 4-6 weeks than 82$ all at once.

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yotehunter57 wrote:

OK Ted, I'm thinking it is. It looks like all the A5s I've ever seen. My grandfather bought it new in 1967. It is Belgium made and says **SPECIAL STEEL-16 GAUGE-SHELLS 2 3/4 on the right side of the barrel. It says SWEET SIXTEEN on the left side of the reciever.
Do they actually say " A5 " any where???

Shayne



"A5" or "Auto 5" simply a name dubbed for J.M. Brownings "humpback" automatic shotgun that held five rounds. Produced for almost a hundred years in 12, 16 and 20 gauge. The "Sweet Sixteen" was a sexy name given to the 16 gauge models and was engraved on the reciever I believe... just as the "Light Twelve" or "Magnum Twelve" on other models. Nice guns they are!

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The "sweet sixteen" is also lighter than a standard 16ga. By a whole 5oz if I remember correctly. Might be 7oz, but I think 5oz.

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