I am just curious as to how far you feel you can call a crow with a e-caller or hand call?
I am certain I called birds the other day from 1/2 - 3/4 of a mile. I judged this distance based on 40 acre sections. I believe the birds were catercorner across two 40 acre sections in an adjoining field. So basicly they were feeding in a field three 40's away. I was calling into a 10-15 cross wind. The section in the middle was wooded. It took the crows nearly 5 min. to respond once the caller was turned on.
Around here, most properties are broken into 40 acre sections which are approx. 1/4 mile by 1/4 mile. So judging distance is easy if you can see them. We have seen birds fly across a 3/4 mile open field as if on a frozen rope peddling as fast as they could go only to have the pecan knocked out of their mouth when they finally arrived.
So what is your effective calling distance?
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I don't know if it's calling distance or crow daisy chain. I've watched a crow respond from afar only to have him flair at 200 yards and in a few min IMO bring friends back.
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A stiff wind will carry calling downwind a long way. I often call crows from a more than a mile in open country as up here on the Canadian Prairies our countryside is conveniently divided up into square mile "grids" so estimating distance is a cinch.
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A stiff wind will carry calling downwind a long way. I often call crows from a more than a mile in open country as up here on the Canadian Prairies our countryside is conveniently divided up into square mile "grids" so estimating distance is a cinch.
Ted
I have thought at times we were calling birds a mile or a little more. Just wanted to see if someone else could verify that.
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I know that I have called them over 1/2 mile away. My last stand from the road to the swamp is right at a mile and I had set up close to the road while pulling them out of the pines in the swamp.
By using the distance feature on Google Earth & from have been hunting the same properties for about 10 years now I am able to surmise that my furthest crows that I can verify were called from right at 1/2 mile. Some may have come from further. I'm just going with the ones that I could hear at points I felt comfortable knowing where they were at the time. It would not surprise me to find out I've called them from 3/4 mile away tho.
Basically, further than many believe you can. They hear about as well as they see. Either down wind.. or with no wind..I think 1/3 to 1/2 mile is not stretching it much. They hear our calls further than we can hear their replies. This is one of the reasons I love the electronic ear muffs. They are almost a requirement for Run & Gun.
skip
-- Edited by Skip on Sunday 23rd of January 2011 11:44:32 PM
I was calling birds 1/2 mile Thursday morning. I know where their flight path is and I set up two+ 40 acre sections from them. One forty is 1/4 mile by 1/4 mile. I think in the right conditions a person could call birds over a mile here in Mississippi. I believe over a river where you could channel the sound or in the mountains where you could bounce the sound you could increase this considerably.
There is a kennel 4000' (as the crow flies) from my house and I can hear them every morning when they feed the dogs. If I can hear them that far, just how far can a crow hear? Then the question becomes, How far will it respond?
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I do strongly believe that responding crows call to more distant crows that would otherwise not hear a shooters calling. In support of this theory, why after firing on a couple incomers do a couple more saunter over 3 or 4 minuites later?
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I do strongly believe that responding crows call to more distant crows that would otherwise not hear a shooters calling. In support of this theory, why after firing on a couple incomers do a couple more saunter over 3 or 4 minuites later?
Ted
I would concur. That bird sitting in the tree 100' + off the ground with a clear sound shot at every bird in the county can reach others we just cant.
-- Edited by 8fishermen on Monday 24th of January 2011 12:55:43 AM
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to greg yeah i bet over water sound goes a looong ways. i always hear people talking when im fishing on the lake in boats & there quite a ways away. i bet their talking normal too.
I was a sonar tech in the Navy. Water is an interesting conduit. By reflecting and refracting the sound between the surface and the thermocline, you can send a sound wave for miles. Water with air above it acts like a hard surface and the sound reflects off it. That is why you can hear ever word when on the water and the other boat is 100's of feet from you. In water, salinity, temperature, and depth (or really pressure) affected the speed of sound. Increase any one of these and you increase the speed of sound in water. I am not as certain with air, but I know pressure (altitude) affects sound in air. My suspicion is other things affect it also affect it ability to travel like temperature, humidity, cloud cover, and wind.
I believe you can use the surrounding terrain to your advantage to channel sound to great distances from your caller. If hunting in timber, leafless trees will allow sound to carry sound much better than cedars, pines, or firs that actually act as sound mufflers.
Some speakers are very directional. My horn speaker is that way. Pointed away it is fine, pointed at you it is ear splitting. You have probably done this also, birds stop coming and turn the speaker the other way and here they come again.
I am still waiting on someone to pipe in and be able to verify they have called birds over a mile because I believe it is realistic to do so.
There is a good artical on this in the members only section of the CB website.
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i have no doubt what u say is true & it made sense to me. lol i bet the navy was cool. my friend went through the marines. im not a military man myself. i graduated & got nominated to pouring concrete everyday. lol theres 1 guy on here that hunts crows from a river. i bet hes called them over a mile away & didnt know it. oh yeah my speaker is def directional. i always point it away from me.
I read you're post about how sound travels over water, very interesting. Whenever I've hunted crows over a slough I've noticed that the sound of the call carries much better over water.
If the birds are "straight down wind" with no cross wind and you have a good loud e-caller then who knows how far the crows can hear the sound. Most importantly do they want to fly 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile fighting a head wind to see whats going on. If it's 10 to 20 mph then yes, if it's above 20 to 25 mph it's very iffy. My partner and I were shooting in a 30 to 35 mph wind (blowing steady) and were shooting some of the birds going with the wind, boy was that fun. If you're timing was not right as to when to take the shot you wouldn't hit bupkiss. Man can they ever side slip coming into the wind on a day like that! Thats shooting as tough as it gets!
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I read you're post about how sound travels over water, very interesting. Whenever I've hunted crows over a slough I've noticed that the sound of the call carries much better over water.
If the birds are "straight down wind" with no cross wind and you have a good loud e-caller then who knows how far the crows can hear the sound. Most importantly do they want to fly 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile fighting a head wind to see whats going on. If it's 10 to 20 mph then yes, if it's above 20 to 25 mph it's very iffy. My partner and I were shooting in a 30 to 35 mph wind (blowing steady) and were shooting some of the birds going with the wind, boy was that fun. If you're timing was not right as to when to take the shot you wouldn't hit bupkiss. Man can they ever side slip coming into the wind on a day like that! Thats shooting as tough as it gets!
Bob A.
Yeah, that becomes the question of the day, How far will they follow a sound? as far as birds in the wind, those are fun to hunt!!
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With my homemade ecaller, we have witnessed callin them from over a mile and a half. We set it up outside my barn , and can see north for 3 miles. They might be coming from further, but its hard to spot them from that far. I won't call 2 places that are closer than 2 miles apart, because I am wasting my time.
That does not surprise me. I figured sooner or later someone would chime in with a long range visual on birds responding. The last two RnG trips we have made stands every mile or so but we are in THICK pine forest that eat up the sound. If I were hunting open country, I could see where a 2 mile rule would apply. Thank for your reply.
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I just read Doc's post. It sounds like he was on high ground if he could see for three miles, it does not take much elevation but every little bit helps in regard to the birds hearing the call down range.
I hunt in all types of country but in open country about the furthest I can pull them with a light wind (5 to 10 mph) is 3/4 of a mile. On a breezy day (10 to 20 mph) you had better be closer to you're work within 1/2 to 1/3 of a mile. This is if they are straight down wind from you, if there is any cross wind they act like they can not hear it and just keep on going.
Bob A.
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