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Spent a couple of hours scouting a new place to hunt this afternoon and shot a few crows. Picked up 14 and put 4 more in the trees. This was the little fellows first excursion. He had a large time and even spotted one I didn't see slipping around the corner of the blind. I made quick work of that one. My initial set was not a good one. birds pulled up short of the blind and I missed several long shots. I moved the decoys in closer and picked up two sets of quads. First group of 10 or so busted in on top of me and I killed 4 and frantically reloaded 2 shells and got one more. I barely had time to reload before the next set was on top of me and killed another quad. Sometimes I wish my Benelli had a tube extension as it only hold 4 shells and that includes the one in the barrel. I really think I could have killed more if I had more ammo in the gun. Oh well, It was a nice scouting trip and I have great hopes for this spot on a morning hunt to follow. There were 50-60 sitting in the field across the road when I arrived but I never called to them as I didn't want to educate that many. We will get them on the next morning hunt.



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Nice job Greg and Kudos for including the youngster! My son looks to be about the same age and he loves crow shooting excursions as well. Just be sure to put the proper hearing protection on those young ears. Again, good job and thanks for sharing.

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Hey greg congrats on the bandits and way to get the little one involed. On another note you can buy magazine extensions for the benelli. They have all kinds 4 shot 6 shot 8 shot I ve even seen 10 shotbiggrin. They sell for about 70-80 bucks. expensive but well worth the moneysmile

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Great Read.  I'm looking to get my almost 4 year old daughter out next weekend for the Michigan opener.  Its very cold now so I'm hoping to keep her warm.  She was a trooper during a muzzleloader hunt kill on a doe in December. 

She got her camo outfit ready for the crow hunt.  On Saturday she said.  Dad, when we going KWOH hunting?

I love the pics of little ones and crows...Great Memories.


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i agree with them its always cooler having little kids with u. my sisters kids 2, 3, & 5 r fun to have around in the woods or water. i never thought about taking the 5 yr. old crow hunting. & im glad ear protection was mentioned. i would have never thought of it. 

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That's awesome!

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The funny thing was I had just ran out of AA's and was now shooting the el-cheapo Winchester super speed 1 oz loads of 7.5 and was questioning my ability to kill birds with them. There for a brief moment, I was in the zone. 4 shots, 4 birds. Reload two shells and hit bird 5 with first shot but took the second to finish. Reload 4 shells, hit the safety and dropped 4 more. It all happened as fast as I could swing and shoot then reload.

Just one of those times that keeps us going back and helps sweeten the bitter taste of the all the misses. biggrinbiggrin Crow hunting is brief moments of shear adrenalin and greatnessbiggrin followed by days of kicking yourself and shaking your head.noconfusesmile

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Nice job man.

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8fishermen wrote:

The funny thing was I had just ran out of AA's and was now shooting the el-cheapo Winchester super speed 1 oz loads of 7.5 and was questioning my ability to kill birds with them. There for a brief moment, I was in the zone. 4 shots, 4 birds. Reload two shells and hit bird 5 with first shot but took the second to finish. Reload 4 shells, hit the safety and dropped 4 more. It all happened as fast as I could swing and shoot then reload.

Just one of those times that keeps us going back and helps sweeten the bitter taste of the all the misses. biggrinbiggrin Crow hunting is brief moments of shear adrenalin and greatnessbiggrin followed by days of kicking yourself and shaking your head.noconfusesmile


Just goes to show that most often the quality of the ammo is much less important than the skill of the shooter. IMO way too many guys think shooting premium shotsells at 25 yard crows will give them some kind of edge.

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Hello Ted,

I've been shooting the El Cheapos for the past 3 seasons now. Had two of the best days of my life with them this season, 711 and 834. The Federal shells that you buy at Walmart in the 4 packs (3 dram load) are not really El Cheapo in performance! No joke, I can kill em just as good as using good quality ammo!

Most ammo (not all) is better than 90% of the shooters using it!

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Good afternoon Bob. 711 and 834 are mighty amazing numbers!

I too shoot Federal Top Guns these days. Mostly because of the price as @ 65 bucks a flat you can't go wrong. I'm happy with the performance as well.

Another interesting aspect of Fed shotshells being that the cases seem to fade over a few years, get brittle and fall appart. I shoot many of the same locations year to year and have noticed this. Don't feel all to bad about leaving them in the field.

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Bob wrote:

Hello Ted,

I've been shooting the El Cheapos for the past 3 seasons now. Had two of the best days of my life with them this season, 711 and 834. The Federal shells that you buy at Walmart in the 4 packs (3 dram load) are not really El Cheapo in performance! No joke, I can kill em just as good as using good quality ammo!

Most ammo (not all) is better than 90% of the shooters using it!

Bob A.



Bob,

My experience tells me that 90% is a bit low. It is a VERY rare occurrence that I meet an Indian as good as his arrows. Self included. The statement I made was not questioning the ability of the ammo, but the shooter. biggrin

The only problem I have with most economical dove or skeet/trap loads is I seem to hit better, especially at a distance, with the loads that are faster out of the barrel. The faster loads usually translate to more expensive. The Winchester Super Speed is the exception to the rule. It is 1350 (Advertised) ft per second for a 1 oz load. To use these I give up a quality shot cup and 1/8 oz of shot. I have killed birds with these in a 7 1/2 out to 50 yards. (I actually measured some).

OK, the question. The Federal ammo you mentioned is 1200 or 1230 fps (can't remember). Can you tell the difference in them and the 1300-1350 fps loads or is that all in my head? Even at the largest difference between these two loads and their stated velocities, there is a less that 12% difference. I doubt the difference is really that much as ammo rarely chronographs at the stated speeds.



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Hello Greg,

The highest velocity loads I've ever used were the Remington 27 Yard Handicap Trap Load and they say the velocity on those loads is 1,235 fps at the muzzle.

On you're higher velocity loads some fellas say they don't need as much lead using these shells. I never used them because I've had pretty good luck with shells doing 1,200 fps.

Just a word of caution, if you want to become a better wing shot don't switch around with differen't velocity ammo, get used to one and stick with it!

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Bob wrote:

Hello Greg,

The highest velocity loads I've ever used were the Remington 27 Yard Handicap Trap Load and they say the velocity on those loads is 1,235 fps at the muzzle.

On you're higher velocity loads some fellas say they don't need as much lead using these shells. I never used them because I've had pretty good luck with shells doing 1,200 fps.

Just a word of caution, if you want to become a better wing shot don't switch around with differen't velocity ammo, get used to one and stick with it!

Bob A.


Hey Bob,

I took some of the shell I have been using and patterned them today. I now know why I am shooting better with the 1350 fps cheap loads... they shoot a more open pattern through my Imp. Mod choke. The lower velocity loads are true to form and do not open up as much. Depending on which load, it is as much as a foot difference. The low recoil AA's shoot a 24" pattern at 30 yards and the cheapos shooting a 36" pattern. The hot AA's (1300) were in between at around 32". With the hot AA's I kill better with them than the others but not as well as with the Cheops 36" pattern.

I tried some low brass 6's the other day and shot terrible with them. I patterned them also and they were 26" at 30 yards. I switched to a mod choke and tried them this afternoon and was whacking birds with them. I killed 13 with 24 rounds fired. Three more were hit but not downed. They were all between 20 and 45 yard shots.

Our season closes the end of Feb. I will settle in on a load then and stick with it after I have a chance to pattern some more and then practice with them. I agree, I should stick with one load, I just haven't settled on the load of choice yet.

What size pattern does your crow gun shoot with the Fed 4 pack loads?


 



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i like that advice. shooting the same shells. u will eventually learn the lead of them. instead of having a difference everytime in shot speed. cause u found cheaper shells on a different brand. lol

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