Bulpup,,,,,,,, I can't print on the site what I think about the winchesters you are talking about. In other words less just say I have had horrible luck with them. Pattern and performance If they pattern well for you give them a try. But be advised just because they pattern well on paper doesn't mean they will pattern good or perform well in the field. I don't mean to bust any bubbles, but everything about that shell is low budget and cheap. That may explain the price. The wad is paper thin and most of the time you will find deformed wads on the ground after shooting a bunch. I have had several with bad primers, The cheap steel casings will crack, (somtimes cracked in the box). If you shoot a large volume of them you will see first hand what I am talking about. My advice is to spend an extra buck and hit what you shoot at