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watch em fall · Senior Member

RE: New Here

Bob · Guru

Pete, on your post on page one you talk about Bob Brister conducting tests on pigeons as well then go on to say that they are thin skinned. Pete, pigeons have tougher skins than crows do. Second, you can not compare a pigeon to a crow because a pigeon is a much tougher bird to kill than a crow. They have a much more beefy chest and there wing bones are far stronger and harder to break than a crow.

I say that crows do not take much killing and I like the smaller shot sizes. You like the larger shot sizes, fine, I'm not saying you should not use them, use what works for you. But....... it's my opinion that the vast majority of crow hunters will do better in terms of hitting and killing what they shoot at with more pellets headed towards the mark.

You bring up The Brittish Shooting Association to try and back up your beliefs about the larger shot sizes. As I stated in an earlier post, The Brittish Shooting Association knows little to nothing about crows, they are geared more towards game birds such as grouse, phesants and partridge. I'm sure they have information on ducks as well.

Then you turn to Bob Brister to try and proove your point. I respect Mr. Brister with all the tests he has conducted on hundreds of ducks and some pigeons, I have no idea how many. You miss the mark once again because ducks and pigeons are far harder to kill than a crow!

Then you turn to physics, hey I love physics, I use it in billiards all the time. But we are not talking about billiard balls, pigeons, or ducks here. Perhaps crows defy the laws of physics Pete because shock works pretty darn well for me.

Bob A.

nhcrowshooter · Guru

Yup I have come to believe shock from non penetrating hits killing anything is myth. Penetration and energy is what does it. As someone else mentioned to me, stand at 20 yards and let me throw a bunch of marbles at you, then a pair of golf balls. See which one brings you down. 7.5's and 8's are running out of velocity and energy for crows before they reach the end of effective shotgun range. They will work but not as good. I also stand by my last comments, I don't want anyone to simply believe what I say or what you say, my advice, go out and try #6 or #5 for yourself. I am confident a crow shooter who has figured out the camouflage, decoys and has practiced shooting but hasn't tried those shot sizes in quality shells or reloads is going to see better effectiveness in killing crow. Bob you do realize in science that there is point where increased sample size becomes irrelevent, observations on a million samples produces nothing that observation on thousand tells the researcher. I haven't shot as many as you, not going to living where I do, but I have shot enough to see the performance difference. If you haven't that is odd. It's not about what is good enough, it's about works better.

-- Edited by nhcrowshooter on Monday 27th of February 2012 03:38:02 PM

Stunner696 · Veteran Member

WOW! THAT was a read! To answer the original question I would think that everyone has their own setup they like! I shot 7.5's and now shoot 5 shot. I had way to many feathers fly but no bird on the ground for my taste with the 7.5's (I tend to take some long shots). With the 5's and my choke they go 'POOF' and fall like a rock! Game over!! Same gun, same choke, same shooter different results.. and, in the end, you can only gauge on what works by what works for you. WHat might work well me might not work for you. Experimentation is the best test. Carry on guys! LOL!

-- Edited by Stunner696 on Monday 27th of February 2012 04:23:32 PM

nhcrowshooter · Guru

Bob I used the references I did to show that a long wide held belief that shotguns kill from mere shock of light strikes that don't penetrate the vitals and cause hydraulic shock is essentially false regardless of bird. Non penetrating hits to the head may kill a birds just as a blow to one's temple. Most of us are not capable of consistent head and neck shots. Think Turkey, almost all hunters shoot heavy loads of number 6 through the tightest choke and go for head and neck shots. If you are going to bring a turkey down that is on the wing, seldom done, you better up that shot size. Beginning crow hunters usually have two big things going against, they are marginally competent wing shooters and they don't use enough camouflage in the way of a blind. The latter gives them long shots and armed with IC and small shot they even further handicapped. Everybody you says try to get them close is right, that takes a bit of skill and time to figure out. However even the most experienced among us will get the occasional long shot, a bird that won't commite or birds that are exiting after the first shots. A competent gunner armed with larger shot and tighter choke is good for anything in the normal sphere of shotgunning 5 to 60 yards. Not as handicapped at close range as one might think About a year or two ago several people argued 6 didn have enough pattern density for long range, I put up target pictures showing even 7/8 ounce had plenty of density at 40 yards. Then I brought up the physics of larger shot pattern better at long due to it's mass, demonstrated by both reference material ant George Digweed accomplishments. Over the last year a few people have either spoken up or tried larger shot and reported great if not improved results. Not to embarass him but 8Fisherman's experience with shooting them at logn rang with number 5 and telling people "watch this" comes to mind. 6's working better than 7.5 or 8 for crow, anybody using it can see the results for themselves. Right now we live in a world where 7.5 and 8 shot is widely available and for less money at discount stores. That is almost often the #1 reason crow hunters choose it. Keep your shots close it will work, start extending the range with it and it's performance is below that of larger shot. To those still reading don't take my word it works better and don't take Bob's word all you need is 7.5 and 8. Try it for yourself and see what happens. If possible reload it and use quality components so you are essentially shooting the equavilent of AA/STS or Federal trap loads only loaded with 6 shot. Some of the bargain brand game loads in number 6 use low quality components and don't work as well as they should.

Here is another sport where larger shot works better, the guy who brought it down was using number 6 the rest of them 7.5

10gacrowshooter · Senior Member

Stunner696 wrote:
WOW! THAT was a read! To answer the original question I would think that everyone has their own setup they like! I shot 7.5's and now shoot 5 shot. I had way to many feathers fly but no bird on the ground for my taste with the 7.5's (I tend to take some long shots). With the 5's and my choke they go 'POOF' and fall like a rock! Game over!! Same gun, same choke, same shooter different results.. and, in the end, you can only gauge on what works by what works for you. WHat might work well me might not work for you. Experimentation is the best test. Carry on guys! LOL!

-- Edited by Stunner696 on Monday 27th of February 2012 04:23:32 PM

well there you go bob , he must not be a good shot like you, i love 5 and 6, i watch my crows go puff and watch the blood go all over the snow. i must be hard headed too, but i like to kill the few crows we have here in nh. not watch them fly away to drop out of sight, those don't count, keep up the good work stunner and spread the word!! ok Bob your turn to call stunner names now,, next, anybody 10 ga and i love it

-- Edited by 10gacrowshooter on Monday 27th of February 2012 08:17:59 PM

Mike27 · Senior Member

Damn rich guys and there toys biggrin

You probably have to tap into the home equity for a round. smile

Bob · Guru

Hello Pete,

A young hunter with little experience in wing shooting does not have the capability to even hit a crow much past 25 yards, thats why an open choke with small shot will serve them better. You bring up a good point as to them not being hidden well so the only shots they may get will be "on the edge" thats true, but they don't have the skill level to hit them any where near "the edge" so there is no point to handicapping them with a tight choke and large shot . Any close shots they may get within 18 to 25 yards is there only hope of hitting anything, thats why I believe either a skeet choke or an inproved cylender choke will serve them the best until they become a lot more skilled.

When you suggest that a new shooter shoot anything tighter than an improved cylender (forget about shot size for a moment) you are just setting him up for failure! This is why I dissagree with your advise to new shooters.

You keep talking about "the myth of shock" and you try and back up your claim with anything you can. It is not a myth because I've seen it first hand for more years than I'd like to admit. Then you go on about George Digweed to try and justify your point of view. Here again you miss the point, most of us mortals don't shoot like George Digweed we need our birds inside of 35 yards. Second, all your data has been conducted on ducks, pigeons, partridge and phesants; not crows. I have data on crows Pete, 144,187 crows worth as of the end of this past season. I have more in field experience hunting crows and seeing the effects of small shot than any other living soul you may draw your data from, and that is a fact!

Bob A.

nhcrowshooter · Guru

You are right Bob I admit it we stink at crow hunting, you have blown our cover, we shoot antique 10 gauges because we are compensating for the Irish curse.

-- Edited by nhcrowshooter on Friday 2nd of March 2012 01:00:05 PM

Bob · Guru

Pete I'm afraid you are just to hard headed to take any advise this old crow hunter may give you, this is why you will always be just a mediocre crow hunter. The sad thing about all this is that you actually think you know what you are talking about.

Bob A.

nhcrowshooter · Guru

We interrupt this discussion for a musical break.

-- Edited by nhcrowshooter on Friday 2nd of March 2012 01:01:17 PM

nhcrowshooter · Guru

Bob I take it your professional experience is not in human relations. It seems insult is the tactic you generally fall back on in fact you say insulting things to people on here at times and I don't even think you realize it. Given the population of crows where I hunt my success and 10gacrowshooter is anything but mediocre. For you to call someone else hard headed is one of the funniest things I have read on here. You know my high school debate teacher told me, enjoy it when someone insults you in an academic argument, it means you are winning. Again, my advice to all, don't take it as gospel what anyone tells you, try larger shot, see how it works for yourself.

Rook-ie · Senior Member

I'm sticking with 7 1/2s -- they're cheap.

crow laddie · Member

well 5 shot, i think that all Bob, NH, and 10GA are trying to say is that to use what size shot gives you confidence in knocking down crows. They belive in what shot size they use so much that they argue about it for hours on end, which is just dedicaiton to what they feel comfortable with. Dont let all this "debating" scare you away from the forum. smile

-- Edited by crow laddie on Tuesday 28th of February 2012 01:15:27 AM

Stunner696 · Veteran Member

Reloading helps with that cost Rook.. But i hear ya!!

10gacrowshooter · Senior Member

Rook-ie wrote:
I'm sticking with 7 1/2s -- they're cheap.

hi Rook-ie that is fine too, if you do get a little extra cash buy a box of good 6's just to see the differance, you to will be in aw. a buddy of mine stood next to me with trap loads 7 1/2's and i let him shoot 1st every time. watched him hit amost all of the 30 yds and under shot, than i killed them for him as they flew away. he started shoot my 6's and drop evey one he hit. he said " i will never shoot 7 1/2's again" PS;this is only the 2 nd hunt he has been on and all shot out of a 12 ga no 10's that day. Bob he is a VERY good shot too!!

Bob · Guru

10 gauge and NH,

You guys are not main stream crow hunters and the statements such as shock is a myth is just not true. As far as you being mediocre, you are mediocre even in the state of NH. I have a friend in NH who hunts crows and yes he shoots small shot and he kills more birds in two weeks up there than you two guys put together for the whole season. So please don't try and run that on me that you have no birds up there, why does he do better? Because he works at it and reaps the reward.

Bob A.

nhcrowshooter · Guru

Bob you are an expert on NH geography, there is just no limit to the depth of your knowledge it seems. You mentioned your friend before and as I told you he lives on the other side of the White Mountains about 2 hours away, the terrain and weather are quite different than the seacoast. Additionally there is little to no farming in the seacoast, in fact very little east and south of Concord/Manchester, he lives an area where there is still some farming and much more open land. Posted land dominates the landscape as the Massuchusetts migration continues. We can't let a place rest 3 or 4 weeks because there are not enough open agricultural lands to hunt. I realize I didn't have to tell you this, you know everything.

Bob · Guru

Pete,

Don't complain to me, all you and your friend have to do is get to know that area, if you know there are birds in good numbers in your state and you don't do anything about it thats your fault. Thats why I say you are just mediocre. Any guy that is a serious crow hunter would leave no stone unturned, especially in his own home state!

Bob A.

10gacrowshooter · Senior Member

Bob wrote:
10 gauge and NH,

You guys are not main stream crow hunters and the statements such as shock is a myth is just not true. As far as you being mediocre, you are mediocre even in the state of NH. I have a friend in NH who hunts crows and yes he shoots small shot and he kills more birds in two weeks up there than you two guys put together for the whole season. So please don't try and run that on me that you have no birds up there, why does he do better? Because he works at it and reaps the reward.

Bob A.

lets here from him, all we here is from you, what about the other people here that found out 5's and 6 are better and they send PM a such because they don't want you bad mouth them here on the site as you do to us, remember you were invited to come to this GREAT CROW STATE but you didn't want to make "the great crow hunter" look foolish, if your buddy can kill 1000 in two weeks( BOb i don't believe you on this one! we need pics or a post from him ) than you should have no problem killing 2000 so it sounds like 99.99 % of your readers suck at crow hunt because they kill under 1935 birds a year(our total) if i shot alone i would kill 2000, but people like to hunt with me, 10 ga

Bob · Guru

10 gauge there you go again with stuff in your head that I never said. I said he kills more birds than the two of you within two weeks time in the state of NH. He killed a little over 700 crows in two weeks up there which is about 175 crows per shoot. As far as me looking foolish by coming to your state I can only say that it does not even deserve a reply, why on earth would I want to come to your state and hunt with the two of you. I don't much care for either of you to be perfectly frank. I'm so glad you got two people to agree with you, bravo.

Bob A.

BUZZ · Senior Member

I am obviously fairly new to this site. I do not know any of the people in this debate, but I will say that Bob's arrogance is amazing !

To say that someone is only a mediocre crow hunter, when you have not hunted there area is but one example of the arrogant statements I have seen you post. In the short time I have been on this site, and after reading some of your post on this thread, as well as some other ones, you seem to have a much higher opinion of yourself then what I have formed from reading your post.

Bob · Guru

Buzz, they are mediocre what else can you call it when they don't have enough push to drive 2 hours from home. They are not serious crow hunters, any serious crow hunter would make it his business to know where the numbers are at.

First of all I wouldn't waste my time on there area Buzz, thats what seperates a hacker from a serious crow hunter. I'd go where the birds are plane and simple.

If you have been hunting crows any length of time you already know this.

Sincerely,

Bob A.

nhcrowshooter · Guru

You are right Bob we are mediocre and we don't take it serious. We have women and kids in our lives that like to see us, 10ga has a business to run, we are just a couple of hacks with a couple of hours to kill here and there on the weekend. But we want to change that so we are thinking of quitting work, closing shop, getting divorced, disowning our kids and moving to Kansas.

10gacrowshooter · Senior Member

BUZZ wrote:
I am obviously fairly new to this site. I do not know any of the people in this debate, but I will say that Bob's arrogance is amazing !

To say that someone is only a mediocre crow hunter, when you have not hunted there area is but one example of the arrogant statements I have seen you post. In the short time I have been on this site, and after reading some of your post on this thread, as well as some other ones, you seem to have a much higher opinion of yourself then what I have formed from reading your post.

thanks, we have seen that too, 10 ga

-- Edited by 10gacrowshooter on Tuesday 28th of February 2012 09:05:53 AM

Bob · Guru

I was married as well for 31 years and never had a problem from my wife when I left on a crow safari hundreds of miles from home. She was one fine gal, never be another one like her. My crow hunting mentor used to leave 7 kids and a wife to go hunting out of state. A lot depends on who you are married too inorder to get away like that.

I'm sure your kids would be able to live without you if you were to take off for 5 days a month during your crow season. Why do you have so little time? There is an old saying, "you make your own luck"

I met Jim Lundquist when he was 50 years old, he had no problem leaving his wife and daughter to come to Kansas to hunt crows. He use to make 4 trips a year coming down here from Minnesota.

Your wife and kids have to have you around 365 days a year? If this is true you are screwed Pete. No way would I put up with that situation.

Bob A.

watch em fall · Senior Member

confuse how does opinions become fact? The answer is research in case you are wondering. Truth is there is no way to change someones opinion that they believe is based on their research. Maybe before you send posts filled with insulting content, read it first and see if you would like if someone posted it toward you. I don't give a what shot size anyone uses or why, because I have my own opinion based on my own research. The truth is if the gun goes boom and the crow drops, it is irrelevant! In closing throwing the word arrogant at anyone here is laughable, there are plenty of egos on this forum. Everyone on here shows it from time to time it is called "alpha male syndrome" and in all my research still there is no cure!!! Just my .

crow laddie · Member

In no way was i trying to insult anyone, i was just stating that they both feel that the shot they each use is the best and that they are fighting over what they feel is the best shot. I am sorry if i majorly pi**ed off anyone, i was not trying to offend anyone. cry

watch em fall · Senior Member

No insult taken here I actually am trying to defuse the debate, and I think you had the same idea crow laddie. I quit posting for a long time on this forum just because of all the pissing matches. Might take another timeout again cause this is a little over the top. I'm sure when Gordon created this forum, this wasn't what he was hoping for. We all have a common interest in crowhunting, sometimes I think we all become combative on a topic we are so fond off.

nhcrowshooter · Guru

Now you are giving advice to a guy working 3 jobs (one of them his own business) on how to or should get more time off and take his crow hunting serious. There is no way for you know another persons situation when it comes to time, commitments and finances. All of which allow or prevent time in and travel to the field.

-- Edited by nhcrowshooter on Friday 2nd of March 2012 01:03:24 PM

nhcrowshooter · Guru

Did I mention that #6 shot works better through out a shotguns normal range spectrum (and apparently beyond per George Digweed's use) on crows? Like I have said repeatedly don't take my word for it, try it for yourself.

PS. I'll leave the marriage and relationship counseling exclusively to Bob.

10gacrowshooter · Senior Member

Bob wrote:
If you are working three jobs you should have said so earlier and I would have understood. You made it sound like you were "just in business for yourself"

I know full well what it takes to get a business going, the first 5 years are the toughest, I wish you well so you can quit your other two jobs.

Bob A.

wow, well thank you bob, that is the first nice thing you have vere said to me , yes i work 3 jobs and have 6 weeks vac and i do hunt for the 6 weeks and my wife backs me all the way and has NEVER said a word about it, she is on SS disabilty(sp) so i have to be around to do the heavy things. i shouldn't have to tell people why i can't take off , un like you my wife needs me around and like to have me around. thanks, 10 ga PS; i have very thick skin and can take almost anything thrown at me, you will never hurt my fealings so don't worry about that, other people see your post and they can tell what kind of person you are, and all the PM's prove it

-- Edited by 10gacrowshooter on Tuesday 28th of February 2012 08:13:55 PM

Bob · Guru

10 gauge, in our brave new world of political correctness you might call it arrogance, I call it the truth. If you can't handle it, thats your problem.

NH says you are in business and thats why you can not get away. Another excuse from you guys, I was in business for years and yes there were times when I had to be there, but I also took off sometimes for a week to 10 days at a time when it was not a busy time.

Boyd Robeson had a business in Sioux City, Iowa long before he moved to Kansas. He also took off once a month to come down here to hunt crows for a week. He had a wife and 7 kids and still found time for himself.

You can be in business and be a family man and still get away "if you really want too"

Boyd Robeson, Jim Lundquist and Jerry Byroade had it in them (to leave home for a week or more) because they were serious crow hunters, you might call it arrogance but you guys are not, and thats a fair statement. All I get is excuses from you two. If your wife wears the pants just say so!

Bob A.

Bob · Guru

If you are working three jobs you should have said so earlier and I would have understood. You made it sound like you were "just in business for yourself"

I know full well what it takes to get a business going, the first 5 years are the toughest, I wish you well so you can quit your other two jobs.

Bob A.

Stunner696 · Veteran Member

Arn't you glad you asked 5 Shot!?? LOL

Bob · Guru

NH, your little innuendo with the shovel is pretty cute, perhaps you should heed your own words when you say that I am arrogant and insulting. Plus your new cute little avitar, you are such a hypocrite. Perhaps if you spent less time on here you wouldn't have to work three jobs!

Bob A.

nhcrowshooter · Guru

Well cute or not you couldn't resist grabbing the handle and putting it to work LOL. Bob, please point out my post where I said you were arrogant. I don't believe I said that. Insulting yes indeed, goes without saying, you just did it again. I am only working one job to pay my bills and I am lucky when it's slow I get to come on sites like CB.

PS. 6's still work better than 7.5's for killing crows.

FFD · Member

10gacrowshooter wrote:
Rook-ie wrote:
I'm sticking with 7 1/2s -- they're cheap.

hi Rook-ie that is fine too, if you do get a little extra cash buy a box of good 6's just to see the differance, you to will be in aw. a buddy of mine stood next to me with trap loads 7 1/2's and i let him shoot 1st every time. watched him hit amost all of the 30 yds and under shot, than i killed them for him as they flew away. he started shoot my 6's and drop evey one he hit. he said " i will never shoot 7 1/2's again" PS;this is only the 2 nd hunt he has been on and all shot out of a 12 ga no 10's that day. Bob he is a VERY good shot too!!

If your buddy can't kill crows at 30 yards and under with 71/2's,I doubt that shot size was the problem....Just sayin................Crows don't exactly wear body armor.Pigeons can take a harder hit than a crow.And over the last 30 years,I have killed plenty of both. I do have an opinion formed by plenty of experience in shooting large numbers of both.

-- Edited by FFD on Wednesday 29th of February 2012 03:00:49 AM

10gacrowshooter · Senior Member

Bob wrote:
10 gauge there you go again with stuff in your head that I never said. I said he kills more birds than the two of you within two weeks time in the state of NH. He killed a little over 700 crows in two weeks up there which is about 175 crows per shoot. As far as me looking foolish by coming to your state I can only say that it does not even deserve a reply, why on earth would I want to come to your state and hunt with the two of you. I don't much care for either of you to be perfectly frank. I'm so glad you got two people to agree with you, bravo.

Bob A.

Bob, look back at what you said" he kills more crows in 2 week than both of you do in a whole season" boy you are wrong there!! must have been in your head!! boy you must be getting old and forgetful. don't hunt with us hunt with your "buddy" remeber he knows where all the crows are in our state. or do both of you always hunt alone?

watch em fall · Senior Member

Kinda reminds me of people who say a 12 gauge can do anything a 20 gauge can only better. Well I say it depends on who is behind the stock on either! If your calling them in and dropping them it doesn't matter have fun and shoot well. And remember it is always fun to hunt crows with any weapon and/or ammo combo.

-- Edited by watch em fall on Thursday 1st of March 2012 02:22:33 AM

Shotgunner · Member

Holy Cow! You guys need to cool off..... one of the major factors I like most about crow hunting is the lack of competition and hard feelings that have crept into deer hunting in recent years. And I come here and see far more hard feelings than I ever have with deer hunting! I'm not going to stop coming here because of arguments, but it sure isn't going to help with a casual guy who is on the fence regarding hunting.

Yeah, I used to be one of those guys who would argue on and on about why a .267 Eargsplitten Loudenboomer was far superior to a .312 Thundersmasher but finally figured out that it really doesn't matter. Either one will kill game and why does everybody have to use the optimum gun for the job anyway.....as IF there even were such a thing. Hunting is SUPPOSED to be FUN so if one guy wants to use a 410 with #9shot and the other a 8 bore elephant gun with "buck n' ball" loads, so be it!

Skip · Guru

Shotgunner: Well said!

skip

nhcrowshooter · Guru

That's just silly, a .374 buckwrecker works better than either of those calibers.

Shotgunner · Member

Now if you are talking about the .374 BuckWrecker Ackley Improved you just might have a point there................. smile

nhcrowshooter · Guru

8fishermen wrote:
nhcrowshooter wrote:
watch em fall wrote:
Kinda reminds me of people who say a 12 gauge can do anything a 20 gauge can only better. Well I say it depends on who is behind the stock on either!

Absolutely, that is why you see so many national, state, and local trap shooting tournaments champions shooting 20 gauges.
Yep, But that is only because the longest shot is 21 yards. If it were 22 yards the the gun of choice would be the 16 ga.

Just Saying!

Greg, in Trapshooting the shooter stands 16 yards from the point of release. The quickest shooter are taking the birds at about 32 yards. In Handicap shooting the longest yardage is the 27 yard line, from there most birds are shot at about 43 to 45 yards.

21 yards is the middle of a Skeet field and the average shooter is not quick enough and generally shooting at them beyond the middle stake from every station. It takes some practice to learn to snap 'em quick.

-- Edited by nhcrowshooter on Thursday 1st of March 2012 03:24:46 PM

nhcrowshooter · Guru

watch em fall wrote:
Kinda reminds me of people who say a 12 gauge can do anything a 20 gauge can only better. Well I say it depends on who is behind the stock on either!

Absolutely, that is why you see so many national, state, and local trap shooting tournaments champions shooting 20 gauges.

nhcrowshooter · Guru

Thank you Greg, you have posted some great stuff here over time. Been fun to read about your adventures to get into reloading and taking your kids out.

Mere mortals....sorry to pop the balloon but we are too. The only thing funnier than me missing an occasional low house 7 (you know the skeet target NOBODY misses) is when 10ga does it, of course he doesn't see it that way. smile

PS. When we miss that bird even a punt gun wouldn't help us. That's a major brain cramp right there.

-- Edited by nhcrowshooter on Thursday 1st of March 2012 03:53:21 PM

8fishermen · Guru

nhcrowshooter wrote:
watch em fall wrote:
Kinda reminds me of people who say a 12 gauge can do anything a 20 gauge can only better. Well I say it depends on who is behind the stock on either!

Absolutely, that is why you see so many national, state, and local trap shooting tournaments champions shooting 20 gauges.

Yep, But that is only because the longest shot is 21 yards. If it were 22 yards the the gun of choice would be the 16 ga.

Just Saying! smile

8fishermen · Guru

nhcrowshooter wrote:
8fishermen wrote:
nhcrowshooter wrote:
watch em fall wrote:
Kinda reminds me of people who say a 12 gauge can do anything a 20 gauge can only better. Well I say it depends on who is behind the stock on either!

Absolutely, that is why you see so many national, state, and local trap shooting tournaments champions shooting 20 gauges.
Yep, But that is only because the longest shot is 21 yards. If it were 22 yards the the gun of choice would be the 16 ga.

Just Saying!
Greg, in Trapshooting the shooter stands 16 yards from the point of release. The quickest shooter are taking the birds at about 32 yards. In Handicap shooting the longest yardage is the 27 yard line, from there most birds are shot at about 43 to 45 yards.
21 yards is the middle of a Skeet field and the average shooter is not quick enough and generally shooting at them beyond the middle stake from every station. It takes some practice to learn to snap 'em quick.

-- Edited by nhcrowshooter on Thursday 1st of March 2012 03:24:46 PM

My apologies!! I did not realize we were talking about average shooters and mere mortals!! Then by all means the punt guns should be allowed for beginners who can't strike quickly enough to kill the clay before the mid steak. biggrin biggrin biggrin

In all seriousness. I am glad that all that were involved have had a day to cool down and return to civility. It would be tragic loss to the site if any one of you fellows decided to leave and not return. You are ALL of great value to me as friends and fellow shares of knowledge of all things crows. I have learned much from ALL involved in this "discussion".

Peace to all and to all a good night!

SHANEDOG · Guru

Love that Avatar N.H.!! biggrin I bet I am on it!!