There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Pledge of Allegiance or being patriotic, its a GOOD thing. I can't see how this is a touchy subject in the least.
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We have the same pc crap in the UK (though thank God not in Northern Ireland), where people are afraid to raise the Union Jack for fear of offending, are afraid to say "I'm British" for fear of offending someone, and also won't sing the National Anthem for fear of offending people. FFS, if these other people don't like our country, then WHY did they come here in the first place, except for the hand outs of course
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The US pledge of allegiance is only a touchy subject to those American Citizens who are afraid to take a stand for something they know is right or for those who attempt to tear down the gift of a limited federal government and the ideals of freedom and justice OR they are offended by the idea of God.
Saying the pledge at the start of each school day was a tradition for many and instilled a source of pride in one's country in grammar school. It was a reminder to each child they were growing up in a special place, and there were special ideals gifted to all of us, paid for in blood and each of us had a duty to protect them.
Removing it as a tradition in American schools is a tragedy and a mistake. Perhaps an old American comrdien can remind us of how important a pledge it was.
-- Edited by nhcrowshooter on Thursday 5th of July 2012 08:01:01 PM
I don't like PC and I'll get up to sing my Anthem. I'll get up to honour (some) other anthems if the situation is appropriate. I pledged my allegiance when I was in the Army, that's the place for it! But children should not be forced to do so in my opinion. If you want to make them proud of your country, bring them to a museum, teach them history...
America's youth face far more and greater threats than the influence of Pledge of Allegiance. Classrooms across America started their day with it for nearly 100 years. Way back in 1943 our Supreme Court ruled that a child could not be forced to say it. America has since it's birth continued to evolve as the best place on Earth for everyone to have an equal chance as you say and equal justice or so I think. It has taken us well over 200 years to get here. Perhaps you should reflect upon the fact that most every American soldier, sailor and airman who fought and some died, to liberate your country, rather than conquer or vanquish, recited that pledge every morning as children. Those soldiers were not indoctrinated by the pledge or empowered by our government to rape, plunder and enslave. I think you might agree the Russians were not so kind. We have a bunch of problems in our society at present but ill effects from children reciting the Pledge of Allegiance is not one of them. If you want to take issue with something we do in America this is a poor choice.
-- Edited by nhcrowshooter on Thursday 5th of July 2012 11:11:39 PM
Look at how opinions have changed over the last 50 years! The liberal school teachers who teach your kids are a big part of the problem! PC is total BS and is nothing more than a way to try and censor you!
America had better wake up!
Bob A.
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To me it is a touchy subject because I am NOT an american citizen. Therefore I am respectful of other countries issues. It does not mean however, that I am afraid to discuss them. I fully agree that one should be proud of his country. Tell me though, what happened to children who did not want to take part or whose parents did not want it? Was their freedom to do so respected in every case? Were they able to say no without fear? If your answer is "YES, EVERYTIME" I'll not discuss this any further.
We used to have the national anthem at the close of films in the cinema, and the close of tv at night, and although it wasn't compulsory, many people stood to attention for it, but because of pc it has been removed, and why ? Are we no longer people with rights in our own country ? It would seem not, as nearly all laws made nowadays are there to serve the immigrants, and not for the people who have been there for centuries.
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Zeddicus do you really expect me to know what did or did not happen in tens of thousands of schools over so many years? Personnally I don't recall one classmate refusing to recite the pledge, although if they had it would have been hard to notice in a class of 30 youngsters. To my recall no classmate ever complained, in spite of all the issues we may have had as individuals most of us had enough sense and respect to not disrupt the process. I think you will have a hard time finding any reference to any successful punishment for failing to recite it.
Just what pot are you trying to stir here cause it sure seems like you are attempting to do that?
I am not trying to stirr, I am having a conversation or discussion and I am doing it with a lot of respect. I guess my countries history had its share of influencing children in a bad way so I might be oversensitive on this one.
I think children should be loved by their family, educated by their family and society. They should be taught respect, values and discipline. They should learn that life is not a competition where everybody wins! They should have an equal chance to get to places through hard work. Pledges are for grown ups. Children should not be like soldiers.
America's youth face far more and greater threats than the influence of Pledge of Allegiance. Classrooms across America started their day with it for nearly 100 years. Way back in 1943 our Supreme Court ruled that a child could not be forced to say it. America has since it's birth continued to evolve as the best place on Earth for everyone to have an equal chance as you say and equal justice or so I think. It has taken us well over 200 years to get here. Perhaps you should reflect upon the fact that most every American soldier, sailor and airman who fought and some died, to liberate your country, rather than conquer or vanquish, recited that pledge every morning as children. Those soldiers were not indoctrinated by the pledge or empowered by our government to rape, plunder and enslave. I think you might agree the Russians were not so kind. We have a bunch of problems in our society at present but ill effects from children reciting the Pledge of Allegiance is not one of them. If you want to take issue with something we do in America this is a poor choice.
-- Edited by nhcrowshooter on Thursday 5th of July 2012 11:11:39 PM
the pc bs is killing all of us but my gut tells me that its on the way out and the worm has turned,I feel .Look at television its always the first indicater of societys view, the last couple of years the newest shows on a&e ,history,and documentary channels have been what u would call hunting and gathering shows,example deadlest catch,sons of guns ,duck dynasty,hog hunters,etc etc doesn't matter what we think of these shows for the most part they are casting us in a good light and the non hunters luv them or they wouldn't be on.Everything has a cycle from rabbits to fads.Even in Canada they finally wised up and got rid of the gun registry!I would like to think its a good time for us soon!I am a American that happens to live in Canada and I am in luv with both countries,neither one is perfect but after being in the US military and traveling the world as well as traveling on my own would take either one in a heartbeat!Theres a reason that the borders are set up to prevent people from coming in and not for leaving like they are in alot of the world!
