I am a Newbie to this forum. I need some ideas of how to cope with the changes that have taken place in Minnesota.
I read with a twinge of jealousy about the style of crow hunting in other parts of the country. For many years, my old hunting buddy, sportswriter L.P. Brezny and I had wonderful duck, goose and crow hunting. Only the goose hunting is still good and that is getting much more difficult.
I enjoy the field hunting style of crow hunting, but for a variety of reasons, the "shoot and scoot" style has been the only practical form of crow hunting. I designed and built a radio-controlled system that incorporated an animated owl with an animated crow in his talons and a high efficiency sound system that could play two different recordings. I thought the fun would never end. But, then crow hunting caught on in Minnesota in a big way.
Now, unfortunately, my system is obsolete. Even custom recordings will not work due to the amount of hunting pressure. The crows won't come close enough to see the animation.
It takes about an hour to get far enough from the Twin Cities to hunt which precludes scouting and field hunting. In addition, the crows don't congregate as they do further south. If the only alternative is "shoot and scoot", what would you recommend that might bring in highly educated birds?
"Brez" says I should move. He moved to Rapid City, South Dakota and he reports that the crows do not have their advanced degrees.
When hunting pressured birds it seems to be easier and more effective to adjust your success expectations compared to adjusting your tactics to fool a pressured bird.
From your responses, it sounds like the crows have won. I can't afford to leave Minnesota and I realize that electronic callers are severely flawed. (Crows hear a crow/owl fight, but there are no crows in the air.)
However, I am persistent. There must be a solution.
From your responses, it sounds like the crows have won. I can't afford to leave Minnesota and I realize that electronic callers are severely flawed. (Crows hear a crow/owl fight, but there are no crows in the air.)
However, I am persistent. There must be a solution.
As those far wiser than I in the arts of crow shooting say, "The crows are winning." However, that's only because no one will ever kill them all off; or even 10% of them because they are smarter than the oft-lamented (by the "Watermelons" & tree-huggers) passenger pigeon.
Even with educated small "family" groups using run and gun as we have here in SW MI, there are enough techniques found on this website (and others I imagine, though I tend to stick here because the humor and photos are better), to put a hurt on enough crows to keep it interesting, to say the least.
Go get em'!!!
Craig
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The passenger pigeon was used as food in a restaurant....there was so much wildlife then that some phases of hunting was done for restaurants....the passenger pigeon was also so numerous it could have posed problems for commercial air craft landing and taking off...in example sea gulls have posed problems for decades regarding airports...
I strongly suspect this one crow roost in my region was forced to move due to the winter problems they gave this one airport...!
Way too many out there with e-callers these days. Nobody hunts crows in my region but I notice spring shooting on the crowd to be challenging. My feelings are that the crows have been hunted hard all winter in the Midwest. When they come North they carry college degrees in hunter avoidance.
Same stands true with preditor hunting such animals as fox and coyotes. Tough to call them up here anymore unless your a couple hours away from any major metro area. Lots of e-callers accompanied by plenty of guys trying to be Les Johnson...
Ted
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Way too many out there with e-callers these days. Nobody hunts crows in my region but I notice spring shooting on the crowd to be challenging. My feelings are that the crows have been hunted hard all winter in the Midwest. When they come North they carry college degrees in hunter avoidance.
Same stands true with preditor hunting such animals as fox and coyotes. Tough to call them up here anymore unless your a couple hours away from any major metro area. Lots of e-callers accompanied by plenty of guys trying to be Les Johnson...
Ted
I think you're right. There have been at least two times in the past couple of years when I hit an E-call and one would respond off in the distance. Then quiet. Then I'd key the call, then a response. Etc. I don't believe it was a black-feathered critter answering.
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Hopefully, shooting crows is not an "A" priority. If it is, move but be prepared to move periodically in response to ever-present hunting pressure.
Given the hassle, disruption and expense of moving, in my humble opinion, I counsel staying put and resign yourself to longer periods of 'windshield time'. That's a lesser cost than uprooting your home. You'll just have to be smarter than the ne'er-do-wells that are ruining your kill zones. Over time, they will pollute one another's field successes and move on to littering public spaces, committing property crimes and texting in motion picture theaters to their ultimate demise.
While the local reprobates are busy burning bridges and tripping over their collective necks, you should invest time developing relationships with local landowners with the objective of attaining exclusive crow shooting rights.
Be patient and smart. Give the scofflaws time to fail, which they will. Time is on your side.
Exclusive crow hunting rights do no good because you can't stop people from hunting the very same crows in other spots before they get to your "exclusive spot" so in effect you have not solved the problem. You can be a genus compared to the neer do wells but as long as they are out there playing an e-caller the birds are going to get just that more spooky when they hear your caller!
The best advise I can give is keep your mouth shut when it comes to hunting areas that are worth a damn. In good areas I never ever talk numbers (birds I have killed) to the land owner! Word gets out and anyone who boasts about his area and mentions where he hunts is a complete fool!
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I also think it is not a good idea to give a kill-count report to a landowner. I generally say things like "I didnt keep track" or "I got my fair share but they won the war."
I had a gentleman walk up to my blind two seasons back and he asked how many we shot? Dick & I had hundreds of dead crows on the ground so even then I did not give an exact number, I just said "hundreds" and let it go at that, Dick said "we don't count"
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a really good experienced crow hunter should know how to blow a mouth call and know the different calls and know when and how to use an E-caller....the latter I hardly do these days...I know someone who was going to set up an d the same exact calls in the distance and none came near him but oh how those rivals tried! Too many think shooting crows is like shooting geese, pheasants or ducks...I'd say that 99 9/10% of the Fish and Game departments have no idea as to how they are hunted and this is why we get idiot seasons on them...they don't know any better period! Anyone dumb enough to release non native wild life into the region certainly doesn't!
Here in NH the fischer "cat" a large carnivorous weasel i am told imported from Asia is responsible for most domestic cat disappearances particularly in winter when you leave your cat out all night...!!
The black duck once very populous around here apparently has suffered from this Asian weasels' predatory habits as the black duck actually nests away from water usually in a thicket on the ground...I am sure that didn't help the Black Duck any. Numerous once populous ground nesting or low brush species of birds have been wiped out...such being the white throated sparrow, many other sparrows, and the rufous sided towhee sometimes called the Northern towhee...this weasel can climb trees so you can imagine what happened to the hawk population here too. While never common the various accipiters (bird eating hawks) have been virtually annihilated to endangerment...
What the fischer didn't almost wipe out; the phoney "West Nile Virus"about did( which was created in America i am told to reduce the crow and various species of gull and tern populations on Long Island...it did NOT come from an African Goose from the nile even..absolutely NOT.
I expect some to disagree with that...it is totally expected because our government can do "no" wrong...just ask the late Democrat Senator ted kennedy or anyone like him. You'll get the "whole" truth...just ask..